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Nihiloxica · 23/06/2020 08:15

Here's a new thread for discussing aircon, aubergines, and Goth music.

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Nihiloxica · 25/06/2020 09:23

it is really down to their own fear for themselves and they want everyone else to think about their wellbeing whilst not actually caring much about anyone else

The people who are afraid are one thing.

There are those who have reason to be genuinely afraid, and those who have health anxiety.

The irrationally anxious will get less would up about Covid if life goes back to normal and their fears are shown to be baseless.

The real enemy (and I think that is the right word) is the moral crusaders of various stripes. They embraced lockdown and are now trying to shame people into wearing masks, because of the power it gives them over other people's lives.

They are only too happy to give up travelling for years "until the virus is gone" because they work in unaffected well-paid tech jobs of the kind that have embraced permanent home working and no more in-person conferences.

They have a outsized influence on Twitter, which is where lazy journalists go for stories and to have their prejudices confirmed.

They are bolstered by public servants at home on full pay and people on furlough.

These are the complacent lockdown enthusiasts, performing restriction the sane way they perform white guilt.

They are a dangerous mob of the privileged, who won't lose anything, backed by those with nothing to lose.

They think the virus is moral - that it attacks countries based on how much they agree or disagree with the politics of their leader.

They create, read, and share endless mathematical models, graphs, dataviz graphics created by people with no public health expertise and believe it is neutral.

They have a lot of cultural power and have already brought about a situation where basic scientific facts can be changed to suit their politics.

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justasking111 · 25/06/2020 09:23

There maybe more deaths this winter flu kills many some years no one bats an eyelid at that. To be brutally honest the way we threw care homes under the bus the death rate could be lower. We can only live in the here and now worrying ahead is futile

AnxiousElephant77 · 25/06/2020 09:27

I'm on furlough. Full pay, and have been since 1st April. I've actually been offered a new job but don't underestimate the anxiety that comes for some with furlough, about job security, especially after July.

Also, I wonder how in this second wave in October, we cope economically, because surely we can't, as a country, close down again. Also, I wonder how much cancelling Christmas will impact a sector which is already on its arse.

How will we be able to differentiate coronavirus with normal winter bugs? Test everyone??

KaronAVyrus · 25/06/2020 09:28

The care home situation was/is shocking. We knew from Italy that this would be a huge issue yet the authorities fast tracked bed blockers (or as I like to call them - human beings) untested into care homes with the inevitable disastrous results.
If this hadn’t happened our figures would be like a bad round of flu.

Nihiloxica · 25/06/2020 09:30

We can only live in the here and now

I don't want to live in the here and now. I want my future back. I want my children to have their futures back.

The proportion of their short lives taken up by this is a fucking scandal.

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Drivingdownthe101 · 25/06/2020 09:31

I don’t want to live in this here and now either, it’s shit!

TheAdventuresoftheWishingChair · 25/06/2020 09:34

Morning everyone. Sorry people are struggling Sad

I was thinking today how crazy it is how scared some are - on here but in my friendship group too. I've had a few weeks of being less affected by that but I'm back to looking at some people and feeling very dismayed and sad they seem to have stepped away from reality. They're very very anxious about the 2m rule going to 1m because they think that's only based on the Tories caring about the economy and they STILL think lockdown ending WILL RESULT IN ANOTHER WAVE even though, come on, we have masses of evidence now that it just won't be that straightforward.

I can't even see how in any Western country you can have more than localised outbreaks moving forward now - even with the Tories being a bit shit, we are testing a lot and getting on any small flare ups. I might be wrong, granted, but it just seems like some wave overcoming the entire country and many thousands dying again is a bit far-fetched. We've made lots of mistakes in the handling of this (like with care homes) but the upside of that is we can learn from them.

I was also thinking how we talk a lot on here about how we locked down to protect the NHS and save lives and we've seen how, although some hospitals were stretched at the peak, overall the NHS did cope and the biggest issue was the virus getting into care homes and spreading amongst the vulnerable in hospital. But actually, going back, one of the reasons we also locked down was because at the beginning of this there was huge uncertainty about how many people this actually killed. There was a lot of discussion and fear about, well this might kill 1% of people but it could be 3% and in Italy 6% of people are dying. My chief dementor friend talked about that a lot. It was in the news a lot. Reports of how many young, healthy people varied enormously (I remember reading one news article on how 20% of deaths were in the healthy under 60s. That was so frightening)

But sitting here in June, we know know it's somewhere from 0.4% up to 1%, with it probably being around 0.5%. Why why why are more people not seeing that and that you do have to open up because crashing the economy for that number is an act of massive stupidity. We will look back and marvel that people were so incredibly afraid.

Teateaandmoretea · 25/06/2020 09:36

Totally agree re the care homes.

FizzFan · 25/06/2020 09:39

Also agree on care homes. Without that fuck up we’d have have the deaths.

Pleasedontdothat · 25/06/2020 09:39

@KaronAVyrus

People on furlough have not had a lovely relaxing summer - most realise that they may well lose their jobs - but sunbathing in the garden/park is free. Maybe we should have stayed at home staring at a wall instead?

There is outrage but most people keep it to themselves.

I’m not saying that at all - I think furlough was the right thing to do at the time, but the people I know who are most stridently in favour of lockdown continuing are predominantly either retired on stable incomes or on furlough. I think the compliance is partly to do with furlough and partly to do with the weather ... I realise that many people on furlough are extremely worried about the future ...
Allflightscancelled · 25/06/2020 09:40

Totally agree Adventures

I think historians of the future will just go 'WHAT DID THY DO???? WHY?????"

And many academics will spend their whole careers trying to tease out why this all happened.

Bollss · 25/06/2020 09:41

Yep huge huge mistake re care homes. I actually cannot believe that anyone with half a brain thought it was a good decision. We know that things rip through care homes. Why they thought this would be different is beyond me.

Nihiloxica · 25/06/2020 09:42

we know know it's somewhere from 0.4% up to 1%, with it probably being around 0.5%.

Do we? I thought it was more like .1% to .5% with some estimates lower again?

But watch the Tech Bros and their handmaidens Dementoring about how "asymptomatic" people can magically get "long term" lung damage.

So they gave turned evidence that this is a mostly very mild virus into proof that it The Most Dangerous Ever.

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Orangeblossom78 · 25/06/2020 09:45

It varies a lot with age I think. But for younger people (say under 50) and with no health conditions yes it is really low.

BogRollBOGOF · 25/06/2020 09:45

@DominaShantotto

Fuck. Ambulance came yesterday for the guy next door we don’t get on with, came back this morning and took him away. I’m now shitting myself it was Covid because the whole of his clique in the street are in and out of each other’s houses constantly and fearing they’re going to try to lock us down in the crossfire.

I’m sure I’m just catasrophising but still so scared of being locked down again

Remember the odds are strongly against it. Your whole borough only had one case in the last week of May.

All other health conditions that would need an ambulance carry on regardless.

The big clusters are from institutions where people are in close contact for prolonged periods, not hopping around each others' houses. Keep using the facts to keep the anxiety at the right scale Flowers

FizzFan · 25/06/2020 09:46

Yeah @nihiloxica there was a fair about of dementoring about that. How most inmates in a prison didn’t have symptoms but had lung damage. How do they know that was anything to do with Covid? Most prisoners are unlikely to be healthy and many smoke. Is that not more likely to be the cause of lung damage?

KaronAVyrus · 25/06/2020 09:46

I think you made an interesting point Nihiloxica about the tech bros loving this. Certainly in my family the ones who work in IT are loving this. They are in demand (work wise) and can easily work from home. All 3 of them have the empathy of a rock and can’t seem to understand why the financial uncertainty is so awful for other people.

Worldgonecrazy · 25/06/2020 09:47

I totally agree about care homes. It is a scandal but it’s old people who have no political clout so will be ignored.

BarkandCheese · 25/06/2020 09:47

We finally had an email from DDs school, the HT says she’s fully committed to getting everyone back in and back to as much normality as possible in September, which is a relief. Although I didn’t have her down as a can’t do it dementor, she’s not warm and friendly but she does care deeply about the school and the pupils and is very much the keeping her head when all around are losing theirs sort. She also acknowledged that the government had failed and ignored KS3. I’m feeling more confident about September now for DD, who’s absolutely desperate to go back to school.

LadyOfTheImprovisedBath · 25/06/2020 09:49

I saw the Welsh education minster being interviewed last night - but depressing as she thought September full time might not happen though the major issue is we still have 2 m rule in wales - as we are "following the science".

i was aware the Senedd Cymru wasn't back properly either - there was a protest from one sitting in their chamber about schools going back.

Plus the outbreak in Anglesy chicken factory was a reason not to open schools to soon - quickest way for me to get up there is to go through England - so why it's keeping our schools partially closed next September is beyond me.

I've just also had both schools sent out scary looking documents to the kids about going back next week with dire consequences threatened if thEy don'tr remember all the rules and comply.

I've looked trhough and told the kids it's basicly keep your distance - do as your told as always and at secondary hand sanitizer a lot and at certain points ie entering the bulding, entering your class room - 2 minutes at most after entering the building and when leaving.

So meh.

Good bit DD1 now has fan cooler in her room which came a day early and is much needed.

LadyOfTheImprovisedBath · 25/06/2020 09:54

I think in Wales somone was looking at legal route about what happened in care homes.

I've seen the first minster say he was following the advice on the subject - though I'm not sure there would be clear cut advce of discharge to carehomes without testing or knowing they have covid as it's all fine though perhaps I'm wrong there.

Nihiloxica · 25/06/2020 09:56

"Following the science" is the new "Following Orders".

You don't get to disavow your responsibility just because of what some scientists said.

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Dowser · 25/06/2020 09:57

Had a good nights sleep and feel better than yesterday.
I honestly think I’d taken my eye off the ball and not drank enough water and pain in the Right kidney area wAs the result and constipation ( bloody ibs)
So back on the horse again today. My enclosed, small back patio is either windy and a bit cool or ( rarely ) baking like yesterday
Still got a good hour or so in the sun before coming indoors to cool off.

Trying not to depress myself but looking at human rights lawyer Francis hoare on Twitter I saw this..I think it was a retweet. I don’t do twitter
My dd keeps talking about human rights lawyers, so I looked one up

The entire artistic team at the Theatre Royal Plymouth are being made redundant in 3 days. That’s one of the largest, most well attended theatres outside London. A theatre that now has no artists, and they won’t be coming back. Our world-beating cultural landscape is in collapse

Two very good friends in the theatre world , wales based, have so far said surpisingly little.
Maybe they are too depressed about it

Theatres were struggling before this. We saw two excellent Shakespearean plays last summer in yorks pop up theatre. Was looking forward to going again..but noticed they weren’t doing it this year..before this shitshow happened.
We are losing our culture.
What was that novel were people walked around reciting books..brave new world? Maybe

Argh, just ignore me. We have enough to worry about in staying alive, staying healthy, looking after our families and sucking every ounce of joy we can out of each scenario.
I’m not going into those dark places of my mind.
People who will do best in the post covid world are the even keelers like my husband.

Teateaandmoretea · 25/06/2020 09:58

The effect on Theatres is 😱.

Dowser · 25/06/2020 09:59

Lady Bath
It’s horrible what they are imposing on children
Takes them right back to the dark ages, be seen but not heard.