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Anti dementors say lockdown can just fucking do one now, we're going for chips.

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SirSamuelVimesBlackboardMonito · 13/06/2020 22:19

New thread! I think this brings the total to 12?

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NothingIsWrong · 16/06/2020 09:43

@trappedsincesundaymorn and another collection en route for youuuuu...

BogRollBOGOF · 16/06/2020 09:46

@BarkandCheese

Good morning murderers! I suppose nothing today is going to top yesterday’s shoppers thread, but I’m ever hopeful.

This from the BBC today www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-53049127. Mostly unsurprising but still stark to see the numbers laid out. One thing I did find surprising was the regional divide, with children in London and the SE on average getting more work. I’m in the SE with a y7 child and she’s getting around four hours of work a day. I naively assumed all schools were doing roughly the same thing and the issue was with lack of tech and engagement not that they were setting minimal work.

Not surprised in the slightest.

I'm struggling as a SAHM (time), former teacher (knowledge, skills motivation) and a computer each (bought DS1 one for his SENs as he'll largely use typing long term).
Between DS1's SENs and DS2 just being a young 7 yo boy who is not highly motivated to sit in the kitchen and focus, neither is mature enough to learn effectively from home. They both pick up good general knowledge from conversation (DS1 was on the G&T register at some point for general knowledge), doing things and documentaries. They should read more (DS1 has dyslexia diagnosed-struggles with reading stress, still jumbles the letters in his name. DS2 may have dyslexia but finds reading a bit easier, spelling still very phonetic)

If we're struggling, goodness knows how families can do with lack of access to technology, often a PAYG phone on mobile data, lack of time to supervise, lack of resources (books, pens, paper, general stimulus) and a lack of skills or value of learning. There is a huge amount of false pride plastering over damaged egos over parents negative school experiences. Some may have undiagnosed SENs, some just rubbish teaching but also a lot of "I've done OK without education and you don't need it either" when unfortunately the world has changed and its hard to scrape by without GCSE passes as a stepping stone. Sadly this attitude was common throughout the pit towns still limping along decades after the pits closed.

Children learn when they are safe, happy and secure. They don't learn well when they are lonely, when family relationships are struggling or dealing with grief or financial difficulties, when there is no escape from their problems, or children trapped in with abuse. They need positive relstionships with their teachers and their peers to role model and share with.

While the education system is far from prefect, broadly the global model of larger groups of peers with a specialised, trained teacher works pretty well for most.

Gammeldragz · 16/06/2020 09:47

Morning all. Finally managed to catch up on the threads, missed most of the shopping one yesterday as I only popped on there to sulk about not wanting to shop before my kids can go to school.
If it was a choice, I'd choose sending them back before opening shops. But that's selfish and doesn't consider the economy or the needs of people who aren't parents.
I probably will cave and go shopping eventually, just for something to do, but I'll leave it until the queues die down.

I have discovered the joys of Amazon Prime Wardrobe though and I now have 6 bras to choose from and send back the ones I don't want. At least 2 fit, which is good because none of my current ancient M&S ones do (lockdown weight gain) and I had to apologise to a colleague yesterday for the hole in my one wearable bra (we were testing and ECG machine, I don't usually get my top off in front of colleagues!).
I don't actually enjoy physical clothes shopping, so I am quite happy doing it it all online.

I gave at least 4 relatives an illegal hug at the weekend (illegal gathering of extended family with bonfire and bbq, I even pushed my neice and nephew on a rope swing), so I've probably murdered half of East Sussex.

MaudesMum · 16/06/2020 09:49

Population of just under 27,000 in my town and a total of 8 deaths. Question, though - because we've got no real hospital, if residents ended up in hospital elsewhere and sadly died, would their deaths be counted as part of their totals? Or is it done on the basis of home addresses?

trappedsincesundaymorn · 16/06/2020 09:51

The only thing that gets it's temperature checked here is a roast chicken....if anybody thinks I'm using that to probe myself and OH then they are seriously deluded.

trappedsincesundaymorn · 16/06/2020 09:52

That last post makes me sound like me and OH have some weird habits. Blush

Allflightscancelled · 16/06/2020 09:54

Morning all! My mother told me that a couple in her little road had a party at the weekend (nothing massive, about 20 people), and she could hear it and was just thinking how nice and normal it sounded. Unfortunately, some pettyfogging curtain twitching neighbour found other people's happiness too much to bear, and dobbed them in. The police came mob handed, apparently, and sent all the partygoers scurrying for their cars Sad

Allflightscancelled · 16/06/2020 09:56

Grin trapped

DD's orthodontist has suddenly re-opened shop and phoned yesterday to make her an appointment for this afternoon. The emailed-over protocol for entering the surgery is 2 pages long! Shock

Ibake · 16/06/2020 10:03

Morning all. The population size thing is interesting (if you're a bit geeky like me). It's to standardise population numbers for statistical reporting hence why some areas are physically large and some small based on pop density. 18 for my town's 2 combined MLSOA's of 13,000

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MiddleLayerrSuperOutputtArea

Shodan · 16/06/2020 10:09

@NothingIsWrong Well, I'm planning to murder a few myself today, but you could murder a few extra for me, thank you Grin

Ibeingbornawomananddistressed · 16/06/2020 10:10

Argh! Have mostly been lurking on these threads, but just had my Mum dementoring away and generally panicking over nothing, or rather things that have no bearing on her life... she’s very scared although in no way vulnerable...governments have done far too good a job of terrifying us about this virus.

Anyway, I’ve not caught up with the thread this morning yet, but feel in need of a rant!

My position, if I may pull up a soapbox, is that lockdown was necessary, and should probably have been harsher and happened earlier.

But the time is now right to ease the lockdown, nobody is suggesting forcing people into going anywhere they are not yet comfortable with, but those that want to go the Primark, or shopping centres, or travel, or visit relatives should be allowed to make their own personal risk assessments and do so if they wish.

We can’t lock down forever: the economy is in the toilet, and poverty is also a killer. Mental health issues brought on or exacerbated by lockdown, will likely cause more long term damage than the virus itself. The people suffering most form this in the long term are children and we need to focus on getting them back to normal as much as possible. So many are frightened, lonely, receiving no education or in unsafe environments for example. My kids are lucky, they have great provision from their private school, the equipment they need,and a Mum at home who’s not having to juggle work to help them. (furloughed) Most kids are not. And in any case I still have one struggling with mental health problems and the other two would happily not leave the house again, which I suspect stems at least part from fear of the virus as well as their underlying unsociable tendencies.

It would seem the level of infection in the general population (discounting care homes and hospitals form a statistical point of view, not a compassionate one) is extremely low, the chances of the majority becoming seriously ill is extremely low, the chances of children being ill or transmitting virus lower still and yet govt is still banging on about blended learning. ( I’m in Scotland).

My kids will be luckier than most when he new term starts with the provision the school is suggesting, albeit still not full time learning... but what about the rest of them? We should be planning for them all to get back full time with increased hand washing and other hygiene, no social distancing (or at least reduce distance to 1m) and use track and trace to monitor and handle local spikes if they occur. I accept that will be a hard sell, but part time education is not a viable solution.

The SNP campaigned on a platform of improving education so that should be their focus now. Quit scaremongering in the media and focus on solutions. There’s a massive, expensive, empty Nightingale hospital that was pulled together quickly and efficiently, can’t we put the same effort into working out solutions for schools? If they insist social distancing is still required in school then they need to find more space within communities to allow classes to spread out.

And breath..... rant over, soap box returned to garage. Was nice to vent that.... feeling the lack of another adult here to debate such things....

Anyway, Do what you feel comfortable with and allow others to do the same within the realms of reason. Let’s just start the road back to normality and go at our own pace... but let’s put children first when planning the route....

Laniakea · 16/06/2020 10:16

ONS survey data for last week published. No excess deaths for all age group now (this is England). There’s already a negative excess of people dying in hospital. I’m sure there’s some way the dementors will spin it as Evidence of a Deadly Second Wave.

Anti dementors say lockdown can just fucking do one now, we're going for chips.
NannyPhlegm · 16/06/2020 10:17

I've been reading the holiday cottages thread and the cleaning measures that are being suggested to owners by the tourist boards is nothing short of bonkers! I really feel for them as they're groping in the dark right now, but the experience for those hiring the cottage is going to be less than amiable. I've got older children so a 5pm or 7pm check in wouldn't be a deal breaker, but I remember the chaos of the baby and toddler years and a late check in would have made me think if the whole thing was bloody worth it.
Combined with a 9am check out, it's just not worth it!

Are those in charge trying to kill off each and every sector, one by one?

DrearyWallAntler · 16/06/2020 10:20

@MaudesMum - ONS data is based on 'home address' I believe. (either that or the county hospital near me has had a stunningly low number of deaths)

So crunched some numbers for my village as it had a surprisingly high number of deaths (8 for a population of circa 15,000).

However demographics:
27% are over 60 (with measurable % in the 90+ range! )
41% are over 50

23% live in above average deprivation
14% in average deprivation
50% in below average deprivation

Oh and 10+ residential care homes and 10+ registered care businesses.

On that basis it's all pretty low.

Obvs we will all die if we go to primark though.

Allflightscancelled · 16/06/2020 10:22

I read that thread too, and the reams of people just blithely suggesting leaving 72 hours between bookings really pissed me off. Even when the OP reminded them that she's already fully booked, with people who booked before this shit storm and who mew want their holidays

Allflightscancelled · 16/06/2020 10:24

OP should be putting health before economics apparently Hmm

NothingIsWrong · 16/06/2020 10:24

Done my tip murdering. All very civilised. Tomorrow is shopping :-)

Shodan · 16/06/2020 10:26

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/3940376-Anti-dementors-are-going-to-hit-the-shops-Who-wants-to-come

New thread here, ready and waiting...

NannyPhlegm · 16/06/2020 10:26

72 hours between bookings is a non starter and those who suggest it have no idea of how thin profit margins are. Also, it would mean that weekends are off the table for renting? That wouldn't have an effect on the business at all, eh?

Laniakea · 16/06/2020 10:28

No not harsher - Spain had the ‘harshest’ of all EU lockdowns, what they did to children was abusive. Their excess deaths per capita is well in excess of ours (72k mostly unaccounted for in a population of 47 million) so much so that they have given up any pretence of accurate reporting. Social distancing rules were rapidly bringing down the transmission rate before lockdown. As Prof Lockdown said they “forgot” to protect the care homes & by ‘protecting the NHS’ actively exposed & infected the group who are most vulnerable to the disease. Lockdown did nothing to reduce deaths in the most vulnerable group and our numbers demonstrate that clearly. Now we have decade of appalling social & economic damage and the excess deaths associated with both will be piling up.

MaudesMum · 16/06/2020 10:30

Thank you @DrearyWallAntler !! That's really helpful.

Orangeblossom78 · 16/06/2020 10:32

Just had a murdering trip into the shops, got a bit lost in M&S as it swept me along with it's one way system past some seriously frumpy frocks...managed to get out again (whew) was going to look in Gap but a queue for that, so went in a couple of small shops such as Apricot, a clothes shops which was better (no one way system as small and only me in there)

I noticed the men in Lush looked a bit less full-on and though that might be a ship where the distancing might be helpful perhaps (they can be a bit OTT and full on) although not so good for their hands on style...

Anyway overall busy ish, for a weekday. I think I will go for the smaller shops where can buy different stuff and stick with online for things like school clothes from M&S so as to avoid it maybe.

Orangeblossom78 · 16/06/2020 10:33

In terms of lockdowns Holland had something called an intelligent lockdown which was quite relaxed compared to many but still reduced the virus, they did start a bit earlier though.

Teateaandmoretea · 16/06/2020 10:45

Spain had the ‘harshest’ of all EU lockdowns, what they did to children was abusive. Their excess deaths per capita is well in excess of ours (72k mostly unaccounted for in a population of 47 million) so much so that they have given up any pretence of accurate reporting

I don't believe the figures in Spain and they are clearly trying to save the tourism industry and persuade people it is safe. Sorry that was a very dementor-like comment wasn't it?

BUT I think that dementors are so obsessed with the UK being the worst that they are missing what is fairly blindingly obvious, not all countries are counting in the same way or even properly.

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