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Anti dementors not (second) waving but flouting

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Waleshasgonecompletelycrazy · 09/06/2020 21:04

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Drivingdownthe101 · 10/06/2020 20:01

@Theluggage15

This is a shocking article on care homes across Europe (incl U.K.). Carl Heneghan is one of the writers, he’s a scientist and has a good Twitter account.

‘A study in France found that in care homes with excess deaths acute respiratory distress (covid) was not the primary problem — deaths were mainly due to hypovolemic shock, or fluid loss. Confined to their rooms in lockdown, with staff absences running at 40 per cent and with a consequent reduction in the usual support, residents were dying of thirst.’

It’s presuming this is replicated across Europe.

‘In old age people tend to lose their sensation of thirst, which makes them susceptible to dehydration unless they are reminded and encouraged to drink by staff or family. Dementia further exacerbates the problem, as sufferers can forget to eat and drink altogether and often cannot communicate their needs. Dehydration leads to worsening delirium and confusion, which further limits communication. For such people, having carers around is a matter of life and death.

Contact between carers and the elderly was reduced because of the virus, families weren’t allowed to visit. With medical attention focused on slowing the spread of Covid-19 in the community at large, care home residents were denied basic care. Lockdown did nothing to impede deaths in the place where they were most likely to happen.

Out of sight, the elderly have remained out of mind. Many homes were already not fit for purpose. The extra confinement which came with the Covid-19 panic has proved deadly. For the sake of a drink, in many cases, the elderly have died in their droves.’

Sorry it’s so long but I just find it so terrible, the elderly weren’t protected by the lockdown so what on earth was the point? What an utter shit show.

That has made me feel really devastated.
AnxiousElephant77 · 10/06/2020 20:02

@LivinLaVidaLoki I completely agree, hear hear.

Bollss · 10/06/2020 20:09

Oh god. That is horrific. Sad

The very people we are supposed to be protecting Sad

Malteserdiet · 10/06/2020 20:13

@LivinLaVidaLoki

Totally agree! In fact I have recently told my DH that one day soon he might find himself picking me up from a police station for refusing to comply any longer (I was only half joking)! I am so fed up of being controlled I feel I might snap in the middle of the high street one day and tear all the 2m signs down.

AgentCooper · 10/06/2020 20:14

That is horrific to read. My grandmother had dementia and was in a (lovely) nursing home the last decade of her life. She and most of the other occupants were so, so vulnerable. The thought of them being denied basic care...

It’s like all moral sense went out the window with this fucking lockdown. The stories about people lying dead at home for weeks. This is a massive failure of society. We are not meant to exist completely alone.

Teateaandmoretea · 10/06/2020 20:17

Utterly utterly horrific.

I think some of the most horrible dementing is about protecting older people (who don’t necessarily agree with this themselves) and treating older people like toddlers.

My dad is going to come over on Saturday. He practically cried on the phone that he could have a hug. His mindset is that if he is the only one at risk that is a relief to him. He knows he is at high risk of dying generally, he isn’t stupid and believes in the order of life.

He’d totally sign away right to treatment to let kids get their lives back.

And they died of dehydration SadAngry

heroku · 10/06/2020 20:18

I've been banging on about the care homes thing for weeks and the only people who are sympathetic to it are on this thread. I have a family member who has been locked in her room since the end of March with no visitors. It's inhuman. She has advanced dementia and must be so frightened and confused. She already wasn't eating and drinking properly before this so god knows what state she is in now. It's things like this that make me wonder if I've gone mad - what are we doing?

Bollss · 10/06/2020 20:18

If I see any more comments about working parents saying get over it, give up holidays to pay for it I think I might actually fucking explode.

For us me working is the difference between keeping our fucking house or not. Angry

I had to stop myself making a very nasty comment to that one.

HesterShaw1 · 10/06/2020 20:18

Sorry it’s so long but I just find it so terrible, the elderly weren’t protected by the lockdown so what on earth was the point? What an utter shit show.

TheLuggage I find that so terribly upsetting :( My dad was in a care home with dementia at only 70. He lingered for four more years. The care home he was in was quite good - there are certainly those which are a lot worse - but on more than one occasion I went to see him and noticed he seemed thirsty, even though he couldn't speak. He had that dry white looking spittle at the corners of his mouth. I asked for some water for him and he drank and drank and drank. I dread to think how long he had been thirsty. No wonder UTIs are so common.

Those poor poor old people. I can't bear to think of it. What a fucking scandal this is.

SpnBaby1967 · 10/06/2020 20:21

I used to like Whitty, he made me feel like he knew what we needed to do & was working to get us back on the road again. Now I feel like if he smiled and said something positive he'd shatter. It's like he doesnt want to give hope anymore.

I think that's what gets me most, Boris aside it feels like there is just no hope. Sure, open up shops etc but we're still told that if we all go we'll die......or make our granny die. No one is positive anymore.

If we have to wait until its safe I want a publicised number to aim for. So safe is less than 500 infections a day for example. At least then, when we're still in lockdown in December & schools are still shut we can say for absolute clarity that it's because we havent met the safe goal yet. This undetermined level of "safe" for which the goal posts frequently move is soul destroying.

I've signed my younger two kids up to the new rotation of key worker kids at my school so starting next week all 3 of mine will be in. I had put it off in the hopes they'll be able to go back into their year groups and so have more focused learning but since that wont be happening until 31st February 2764 I can't see the point keeping them off for longer.

As for the new bubble option, my mum (who is the only single person in our family) now has to choose between her daughters and grandkids as to which bubble she will settle in. I've told her not to feel bad if she chooses my sister.

RubberDinghyRapids · 10/06/2020 20:23

@SpnBaby1967 Yes. Give us something concrete to aim for. Give us a benchmark. Then fucking keep it there. Don't make 'safe' some arbitrary goalpost that you keep secret and move around at whim.

Have cracked and sent DH to buy me fags. Yes, I'm aware of the irony.

Drivingdownthe101 · 10/06/2020 20:27

As for the new bubble option, my mum (who is the only single person in our family) now has to choose between her daughters and grandkids as to which bubble she will settle in. I've told her not to feel bad if she chooses my sister

Yes that is tough. I’m an only (well my brother died in his 20’s) so my mum only has us, which has made it easier. My best friend’s mum is on her own and she has to choose between my friend (3 DC), friend’s sister with a 4 month old baby and friend’s brother who is disabled and lives with his disabled wife.

BarkandCheese · 10/06/2020 20:30

That care home thing is horrific, but I’m not shocked, or at least not shocked it happened. I feel like I’ve lost all sense of shock at the things which have been done in the name of protecting the vulnerable. DV violence and murders through the roof, children left without the safety net of school, the elderly left to deteriorate alone, vital operations and treatments cancelled, but at all costs we must protect the vulnerable.

Teateaandmoretea · 10/06/2020 20:31

I’ve just invited dad round. I suspect SIL will want to see her DM anyway. Plus my brother lives more locally, I doubt he’ll be offended he can far more easily pop round and sit in the garden —and gets driven mad by his dramas—. I live 10 miles away, so he can come for his dinner a few days and my brother will feel less responsible for him Smile

HesterShaw1 · 10/06/2020 20:31

And yet they are not being protected and meanwhile our freedoms have vanished.

It really is like we entered an alternative reality.

AgentCooper · 10/06/2020 20:32

FIL was hospitalised for dehydration last week but is home now. He lives with MIL but she has so much on her plate, trying to make sure he drinks and takes his pills. He needed people coming in to check on him, not to be cut off from his family.

Ok, so lockdown was needed to protect the NHS. But any sane, civilised society does not let everything else fucking crumble in the meantime. There needs to be a way for basic human functioning to continue - education, work, other healthcare, social connection. This has gone on way too long.

Khione · 10/06/2020 20:36

As for the new bubble option, my mum (who is the only single person in our family) now has to choose between her daughters and grandkids as to which bubble she will settle in. I've told her not to feel bad if she chooses my sister.

They can't enforce it - not in any way shape or form. So long as you have all been reasonably following the 'roolz' the risk is minimal. If she is willing to see you both then let her. - And you see your sister too.

Theluggage15 · 10/06/2020 20:36

It’s annoyed me even more today hearing the scientists telling MPs that maybe they should have concentrated more on care homes. Like really?! You think?!!!!

Children and the frail elderly, have both suffered terribly from the effects of the lockdown. There really needs to be an enquiry into this. Sorry if the article upset people, I just find it unbelievable.

BarkandCheese · 10/06/2020 20:39

I’m my mum’s only child, although I have siblings via my dad (I always feel I have to put that in case someone advance searchers me and thinks I’m a big old troll for both being an only child and having siblings). Anyway as my mum is a widow and lives alone it’s a no brainier to have her in my bubble. I won’t be having her to stay, she only lives 20mins away and wouldn’t want to leave her cats overnight, but I’m going to have her over for a Sunday roast.

Drivingdownthe101 · 10/06/2020 20:40

Yes my mum won’t stay here but I might send the two older DC for a sleepover there Grin

BarkandCheese · 10/06/2020 20:43

@Drivingdownthe101

Yes my mum won’t stay here but I might send the two older DC for a sleepover there Grin
Actually that’s a good point, DD has usually had a few sleepovers at Nanna’s during the school holidays and obviously she’s missed them recently. My mum would love the company and a change of scenery would do DD good.
TheGreatWave · 10/06/2020 20:48

FIL was hospitalised for dehydration last week but is home now. He lives with MIL but she has so much on her plate, trying to make sure he drinks and takes his pills. He needed people coming in to check on him, not to be cut off from his family.

And your MIL needs her support in place too. It's the big ripple effect.

Teateaandmoretea · 10/06/2020 20:52

@Theluggage15 one of the things my Dad has said throughout is that the idea of being in a care home right now brings him out in a cold sweat. I think it’s made him more fatalistic about covid tbh 🙄

Teateaandmoretea · 10/06/2020 20:53

I just find it unbelievable

Sadly I find it more believable than all the excess deaths being covid

MaudesMum · 10/06/2020 20:57

Cross Somerset resident here. Apparently part of the "spike" in cases around here was caused by some false positive tests in the hospital in Taunton. www.somersetlive.co.uk/news/somerset-news/musgrove-park-hospital-patients-told-4212675 .

Not convinced that story is going to get the publicity that the earlier stories about increases in infection rates did.