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Anti dementors not (second) waving but flouting

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Waleshasgonecompletelycrazy · 09/06/2020 21:04

Welcome one and all. Bad days, good days...we're here for you all

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LivinLaVidaLoki · 10/06/2020 19:05

@Thighmageddon
He came across as borderline furious tonight, it made me sad that this is what we've got leading/guiding us at the moment
The way I see it, is he us only "guiding" the health advice in relation to this pandemic. There will also be people "guiding" the economic and education parts of it too as well as other bits.

I suspect that Whitty is wheeled out as it's a "health" issue so people would expect to see the health bit. They won't ever bring out the economy advisors as when people are told by an official that we are fucked compliance will hit the floor.

Whitty did go through a small optimistic phase particularly when talking about your realistic chances of you becoming ill.

But then he became dementor in chief.....

LivinLaVidaLoki · 10/06/2020 19:06

@Waleshasgonecompletelycrazy

I’ve heard back from the Us for Them campaign and am trying to arrange a chat. If they have any good ideas how to support them I’ll post them here
Please do. Thank you.
SeaOtterFluff · 10/06/2020 19:07

I can't get past the furious stage of emotions at the moment. I don't think being stuck in an office with a dementor and a manager who is developing dementor-tendancies is doing me any good. Stickers everywhere yelling about social distance and how many people should be in each room. I need a holiday.
Dementor is disappointed that there haven't been the power cuts she predicted and prepared for, won't stop twittering about second waves and sewing patterns for masks. Meanwhile I've got to be the family cheerleader for teenagers who are missing jobs, boyfriends, friends, McDonald's...
And the schools. It's ridiculous. Get the children back to school.
On the plus side, I've got a camping trip in July in the cotswolds. It'll take a lot for me to give that one up. Even if I'm sitting in my tent and drinking tea for a week, I need to get away.

Khione · 10/06/2020 19:07

Well, what is supposed to be good news has just allowed me to do next weekend what I actually did last weekend. (Visit my daughter, drink gin and wine - but maybe I shouldn't have taken her shopping on Sunday morning. I should have made her walk there and get a taxi back. Hmm)

Or at least it would have done if my son hadn't been using my spare bedroom to 'work from home' for the last 12 (is it 12) weeks, regardless of not living here.

Ho Hum - I'm not quite sure why I still feel more like a prisoner than a criminal.

AnxiousElephant77 · 10/06/2020 19:07

@LivinLaVidaLoki He really is. I've said this before but I absolutely worshipped the two of them at the start and now I feel despondent every time they're wheeled out because I know it's going to be doom and gloom central.

HesterShaw1 · 10/06/2020 19:08

How did Charlie Brooker describe him? (Whitty) A prematurely aged Tin Tin who has been forced to watch his dog drown.

A couple of months ago I might have been indignant at the unkindness. Not now.

Dowser · 10/06/2020 19:11

Thank you cupcakes
That was quite a wobble
I had.
As for Whitty
The comment Lanka posted..its humane and cruel
I don’t watch the news...thank god..that would’ve had me distraught

Are the powers that be having a game of chess with us.?

Dowser · 10/06/2020 19:13

Domina
Hugs and hang on tight love

justasking111 · 10/06/2020 19:17

One comment made tonight stuck with me about managing the risk yourselves. Well some of us have been doing that I think, on here anyway

LivinLaVidaLoki · 10/06/2020 19:22

@HesterShaw1

How did Charlie Brooker describe him? (Whitty) A prematurely aged Tin Tin who has been forced to watch his dog drown.

A couple of months ago I might have been indignant at the unkindness. Not now.

Oh my god I laughed HARD at that.
SomewhereEast · 10/06/2020 19:32

I'm not 100% sure myself, but DH is definitely a This-Is-The-Second-Waver. He had Covid symptoms back in December and was totally wiped out for several weeks, and in fairness he is literally never ill normally. A few friends had the same symptoms around the same time. On the other hand, I don't think there was any excessive spike in the death rate, which surely there would've been?

DrearyWallAntler · 10/06/2020 19:35

I don't think Whitty is used to being 'ignored'. At the start his input was probably almost revered at sage meetings but now economic and social issues are becoming steadily more important and critical so he may get sidelined more.

That will mean making decisions that do not bring the best benefit from a purely 'health' stand point. This is probably not something he has got used to over the last 12 or 15 weeks.

He's a human. He has an ego.

DrearyWallAntler · 10/06/2020 19:37

Seriously though - chairing sage with all those egos and very myopic views must be hell.

DrearyWallAntler · 10/06/2020 19:42

Oh look. Almost on que Ferguson is having a sulk.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52995064

I do appreciate the view at the end that the model may have been over relied on though.

AnxiousElephant77 · 10/06/2020 19:42

1000 new infections a day does seem a bit high after three months, where the hell are they all coming from?

Allnamesaregone · 10/06/2020 19:43

There isn’t going to be a vaccine. Coronaviruses mutate too quickly. That’s why we keep getting the common cold- it’s a coronavirus.

DominaShantotto · 10/06/2020 19:44

Are the powers that be having a game of chess with us.?

Chess would be noble and worthy - this is them with a bunch of tadpoles in a jam jar seeing whether they all die or some actually make it out in one piece.

Allnamesaregone · 10/06/2020 19:45

If I lived in England I could have my mum to stay now- she lives on her own and is struggling. She could be part of our bubble.
But no- wee nippy says it’s still too unsafe 😡

LivinLaVidaLoki · 10/06/2020 19:46

Only just seen it, so the support bubble only applies to single person households? I thought for a moment I'd be able to see some of my family.
Fuck sake.
I feel so bloody angry.
Read the room Boris you fucking idiot, this is inhumane. For a populist prick you're not making any popular fucking choices are you.

LivinLaVidaLoki · 10/06/2020 19:49

@AnxiousElephant77 more testing mainly. Proportionately it's actually tiny. This is crude but an ok indicator

Anti dementors not (second) waving but flouting
GoldenOmber · 10/06/2020 19:50

@Allnamesaregone

There isn’t going to be a vaccine. Coronaviruses mutate too quickly. That’s why we keep getting the common cold- it’s a coronavirus.
No, it's not that bad!
  • Coronaviruses don't mutate that fast - not compared to e.g. flu
  • The common cold is a lot of different viruses, some of them coronaviruses, most of them other ones
  • The reason we can get even the coronavirus colds again is because immunity wears off, but worst-case scenario if the vaccine goes the same way (which it might well not) is that NHS would do coronavirus vaccines annually like flu vaccines.

Quite a few vaccines are in late-stage trials now and that means they've done okay in the early stages. I think there'll be at least one vaccine by the end of the year.

DominaShantotto · 10/06/2020 19:50

I have two songs on rotation for my earworm for all of this lockdown.

One's the one from Tangled and the other is Everyday Is Like Sunday by Morrissey (and I can't stand him) - think that adds to the torture factor.

Theluggage15 · 10/06/2020 19:52

This is a shocking article on care homes across Europe (incl U.K.). Carl Heneghan is one of the writers, he’s a scientist and has a good Twitter account.

‘A study in France found that in care homes with excess deaths acute respiratory distress (covid) was not the primary problem — deaths were mainly due to hypovolemic shock, or fluid loss. Confined to their rooms in lockdown, with staff absences running at 40 per cent and with a consequent reduction in the usual support, residents were dying of thirst.’

It’s presuming this is replicated across Europe.

‘In old age people tend to lose their sensation of thirst, which makes them susceptible to dehydration unless they are reminded and encouraged to drink by staff or family. Dementia further exacerbates the problem, as sufferers can forget to eat and drink altogether and often cannot communicate their needs. Dehydration leads to worsening delirium and confusion, which further limits communication. For such people, having carers around is a matter of life and death.

Contact between carers and the elderly was reduced because of the virus, families weren’t allowed to visit. With medical attention focused on slowing the spread of Covid-19 in the community at large, care home residents were denied basic care. Lockdown did nothing to impede deaths in the place where they were most likely to happen.

Out of sight, the elderly have remained out of mind. Many homes were already not fit for purpose. The extra confinement which came with the Covid-19 panic has proved deadly. For the sake of a drink, in many cases, the elderly have died in their droves.’

Sorry it’s so long but I just find it so terrible, the elderly weren’t protected by the lockdown so what on earth was the point? What an utter shit show.

LivinLaVidaLoki · 10/06/2020 19:52

I'm just so sick of this utter bullshit now.
Im sick of hearing "when its safe to do so" I want to know what metric you are measuring safety by. New infections? Transmission? This was supposed to be a short term thing to flatten the curve and protect the NHS. We have done that. This is bullshit.
It's gone from controlling the spread to controlling the virus to controlling the people and I have never been so bloody furious!

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 10/06/2020 19:56

‘ On the other hand, I don't think there was any excessive spike in the death rate, which surely there would've been?‘

Actually it turns out there was. ONS figures have shown excess deaths from I think November, but few enough to have been put down to flu rather than raising red flags.

I am a firm believer in it having been here before Christmas. If it wasn’t then 1. It must have failed to get here from Wuhan despite regular flights 2. It also managed to not get here from France and we know it was there in mid November 3. There must have been another unknown disease around that also caused pneumonia in an unusual number of healthy adults. It’s far more of a stretch to think there wasn’t covid here than that there was.

What I don’t get, though, is the idea that that was the first wave and this the second rather than it just being a slow start to this one.