Anti dementors not (second) waving but flouting

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Welcome one and all. Bad days, good days...we're here for you all

@dowser. I logged back on after watching the news and your phrase 'people power' resonated. Titchmarsh raised the profile of garden centres and used his media presence to shout loudly and guess what happened? Zoos used their media profiles and guess what happened? BoJo so influenced by public opinion that I think now is the time to strike re schools. It would appear that shouting loudly gets you moved up the agenda. Coupled with loud noises from the children's commissioner, back benchers, newspapers etc I think we should all start emailing our MP's, Williamson etc as it feels like the mood is shifting big time. Btw I no longer have kids at school and yet I've not felt so angry about something in a very long time!

Is there some sort of filter built in? Because I would think a layer that’s waterproof will also be close to gas proof too, so you’d really struggle to move air through it.

News thing I saw said waterproof outer layer - which had us stumped but just searched for what WHO actually said not what BBC reported-

The guidelines, set to be released today, detail the type of fabric masks that are effective. They should have three layers: an inner layer that absorbs, a middle layer that acts as a filter, and an outer layer made from a non-absorbent material like polyester.

www.sciencealert.com/who-research-finds-masks-need-these-three-specific-layers-to-work-against-covid-19

That sounds much more do-able - as we do have polyester fabrics, as well as cotton from old clothes and bits from dress making - just not sure what would be a filter though I know you can buy carbon filters on amason that fit into the neck gaiters I keep looking at.

It sounds more able to make at home than BBC news version we saw.

Zoos used their media profiles and guess what happened? BoJo so influenced by public opinion that I think now is the time to strike re schools. It would appear that shouting loudly gets you moved up the agenda. Coupled with loud noises from the children's commissioner, back benchers, newspapers etc I think we should all start emailing our MP's, Williamson etc as it feels like the mood is shifting big time.

I think the same - though how moveable the Welsh Senedd will be I'm not sure but UK government do seem to consider what hits the media.

Eldest's school is taking Y6 back on Monday which is something - DH is now pissed off that I am absolutely fucking raging at the news about schools. I think we need protest marches - our kids matter. I'd do it - fuck it I'd go in and add staffing levels to schools if required and I'm fully qualified and DBS checked, so it's not idle militancy - I have offered to help the school if they can't get cover staff in to keep ratios!

I've come to our local arboretum expecting to find the play areas closed but didnt realise they would rope off anything family friendly.

So walking on a path is fine, walking on a little boardwalk is not allowed.
Benches for two or three people are fine, family picnic benches have been removed.
Walking around the lake is allowed but stopping to look at the fish or feed the ducks is prohibited. There are literally "danger" signs up at the bit where we feed the ducks.

twitter.com/apsmunro/status/1269670885100748801

This is useful to read about school outbreaks.

'The few actual studies of schools and COVID have shown remarkably little spread amongst students'

Enjoying sun.. I think I’d have reached the point where I’d be saying
Really? I think you ought to be ashamed of yourselves.

It’s time to stop pussy footing around these people I think.

Absolutely @enjoyingSun I am going to be writing (again) to anyone that may listen, in the hope that they may actually listen this time.

Just seen this from PMQ's:

He also says he will be announcing further measures to "unlock" society later today

Jeez underthebus how incredibly ridiculous. Perhaps ducks are fatal covid carriers, in which case we should be warned. Are they worried people will fall in and take away vital resources to rescue them?

I'm in Scotland and here it does feel like there is a huge dose of Presbyterian anti-enjoyment mixed into the measures.

@TheAdventuresoftheWishingChair because of the work I do I have been given these studies to read and that's why I get so bloody cross about the whole school situation. Its just political showboating "look how much we care about your children" because its easier to do that than to undo all the fear that they have propagated from day 1 for this utter bullshit.

I listened to a governor on 5 live yesterday suggesting a 6 day school week so all kids could go 3 days a week ie half at a time. The politics show today was talking about using empty offices as classrooms. Starting the summer holidays now so we could start the autumn term sooner. There will be so many 'but, but, but' retorts to that - why should we work 6 days? We'll pay you. What about the risk assessment of the building? What about it? I've got a holiday booked in August. Go, we'll manage.

I am so fucking sick of the Can't Do attitude, the last few months have shown us we can and will rip up the rule book when we needed to (can you imagine how much red tape was ignored to get the Nightingale's up and running). Let's just give it a go, try. Some things will work, some things won't but at least the kids will be getting a degree of education and a degree of social contact that many are not getting at the moment. When did we turn into such a nation of short sighted thinkers? (Obvs none of you lovely lot!)

Phew glad I got that off my chest

@UnderTheBus

I've come to our local arboretum expecting to find the play areas closed but didnt realise they would rope off anything family friendly.

So walking on a path is fine, walking on a little boardwalk is not allowed.
Benches for two or three people are fine, family picnic benches have been removed.
Walking around the lake is allowed but stopping to look at the fish or feed the ducks is prohibited. There are literally "danger" signs up at the bit where we feed the ducks.

That’s nuts. Most of the parks I walk in have areas where you can feed 5he ducks and no one has considered them dangerous enough to rope off.

I am going to be writing (again) to anyone that may listen, in the hope that they may actually listen this time.

Yes. I hope it has an effect but won't hold my breath.

I think it's the lack of ambition that seems to be eminating from the school for our kids that also so very upsetting.

Oh and also came across this nugget of information last night regarding the 1m to 2m thing. Realistically it depends on whether you are indoors or not.

2m distancing is 1% chance of catching it from droplets, 1m 2.5% but it increases to 13% if you are indoors. So then I thought that maybe the 2m is being kept for schools etc but still 13% isn't huge is it? And given transmission is lower in children anyway. I just cant see the sense in it.

@Ibake yes! It's always why things can't work with schools.

Businesses have moved heaven and earth and been really creative in finding solutions, even if not ideal, but something to keep them and their customers going.

@LivinLaVidaLoki

Oh and also came across this nugget of information last night regarding the 1m to 2m thing. Realistically it depends on whether you are indoors or not.

2m distancing is 1% chance of catching it from droplets, 1m 2.5% but it increases to 13% if you are indoors. So then I thought that maybe the 2m is being kept for schools etc but still 13% isn't huge is it? And given transmission is lower in children anyway. I just cant see the sense in it.

There also has to be someone in the room who actually has the virus which at the moment is what? 1 in 1000? I would imagine in most cases in a classroom the % chances of catching it is probably 0.

@Livinlavidaloki If it's just about zoos I'm opening the bar.

That 13% only comes into play if someone has the virus, and is presumably coughing or sneezing rather than just breathing. Doesn’t the statistic stand at around 1 in 1000 at the moment? So that’s a 13% chance of a 1 in 1000 chance or something like that (I’m not good at maths).

Productive homeschoolday here (first motivation I've had in a week!) DS1 (9) did a powerpoint about energy and this is his response to writing 5 sentences following a video clip about spring time...

This is good stuff from him

The silver lining in his current education is that we're focusing on his typing speed and getting it more functional so he doesn't have to go through the literal pain of holding a pencil. His letter/ number formation is still very jumbled and inconsistent and it is recommended that he works towards touch typing.

Good cross post there 😀.

@BarkandCheese

That 13% only comes into play if someone has the virus, and is presumably coughing or sneezing rather than just breathing. Doesn’t the statistic stand at around 1 in 1000 at the moment? So that’s a 13% chance of a 1 in 1000 chance or something like that (I’m not good at maths).

Exactly!

Yes, 13% chance of someone in room near you and symptomatic.

I'm quite cavalier but I would avoid someone coughing and spluttering

And the idea is that anyone symptomatic is at home anyway. Schools will be sending home anyone who is coughing. So further minimising the risk.

This is pretty awful-

Coronavirus: Sex workers 'at greater risk of assault'
Street sex workers are at a greater risk of violent assaults and rape during the coronavirus pandemic, a charity has said.
The Amber Chaplains, who work in Southampton, say women are finding it harder to earn money during lockdown so have been taking more risks.
Charity workers carry out patrols twice a week and hand out bags of supplies to the women, including snacks, face masks and condoms.
They say that women have been too scared to report violent assaults because they fear being arrested.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-hampshire-52937603/coronavirus-sex-workers-at-greater-risk-of-assault