Madeleine McCann- new suspect thread 2

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Hi Lady Eloise. No, nothing. Just Dutroux was convicted. And Nihoul, a man who several victims said had organized those parties with kids for powerful men got a small sentence for human trafficking (but not children). Nihoul is on record saying that he is untouchable, because he would take down a lot of powerful people with him.... (he did get convicted, but that didn‘t even scratch the surface).
I‘ll post links to the documentaries.

I recall after the MM abduction there was an interest in having young children tagged. I remember reading some celebrities were allegedly looking into a small injectable tracker. At the time I had a toddler and a new born and have to admit being hormonal it crossed my mind at that time. Wonder if anyone actually does it?

Evil triumphs because good people do nothing.

Surely there are good people in Belgium in senior positions who will stand up and ensure the perpetrators are called out on their behaviour and punished in a court of law ?
There must be some good people in influential positions in government, in the press, in media, in the church.

Arewedone can one say the ring was cracked? Except for Dutroux and Nihoul (unrelated charges) nobody went to jail or stepped down or was even publicly named (though victim statements with unredacted names are out there. And those officials who very clearly derailed the investigation were rewarded.

There are 3.8 billion women in the world. Imagine if we all gave a £. We would have £3.8 billion to crack child and human trafficking and other crimes against women and children. It's not just about a lack of interest, it is also about resources.

Of course, some women in deprived countries can't afford £1, so we could all make up their share on their behalf to opt into the global scheme.

@deepwatersolo I agree virtually involved all were protected but the ring was exposed and although not brought to justice the names of those involved is out there. It really is an horrific story.

@SpocksEyebrows it’s a nice idea but it’s cost over 12m just for MM. IRFD chips for everyone

*RFID

People rip trackers out of animals so they would just do the same.

@LadyEloise here is the BBC documentation, where among other things a surviving victim speaks (also about how policemen who interviewed her were swapped for ones who treated her like shit).

This is the documentation about the dead victims. It is in German, but someone dubbed it. Watch at least the first 3 minutes. It is shocking. (and this was made by a very respected German broadcaster).

@SpocksEyebrows I read that he was adopted as a child, so possible attachment issues?

Oh and regarding the documentary about the 20 dead victims:

It was never shown in Belgium, only in Germany and other countries. But not Belgium. In Belgian TV it was retracted in the last moment.

There are 3.8 billion women in the world. Imagine if we all gave a £. We would have £3.8 billion to crack child and human trafficking and other crimes against women and children. It's not just about a lack of interest, it is also about resources.

Of course, some women in deprived countries can't afford £1, so we could all make up their share on their behalf to opt into the global scheme.

@SpocksEyebrows I know you had good intentions with this, but what it immediately made me think was 'You know what, why don't all the MEN in the world put in £1 instead, given that they commit all these crimes, and the really rich ones like Weinstein who probably do more than their share of abusing can cover the cost for the poor ones?'

The annual budget of the Met Police is £3.28b, the programme budget for WHO (programme costs only) is US$4.84b, NYPD $5.9b

A new global organisation, starting from scratch with staff as well as programme costs to cover, would not have transformative effect on a budget of £3.8b

Trackers don't work on people, btw, because of
a) signal strength when passing through skin (v poor - think of how close your pet has to be to the scanner to have microchip read). Tracking wild animals is done through external devices akin to the tags of the sort used on criminals
b) if you want it to transmit, rather than just be read, then it needs a battery, and for any reasonable life, it won't be an injectable because of size and the needs to replace/recharge

I do not think the 'celebrities' who were looking in to this were looking at real, existing, fit for purpose devices. I guess they were speaking for effect, and then using one of the many portable or wearable GPS devices that use real time tracking (eg mobile phones or sport and fitness trackers)

I just read the Wikipedia on Dutroux for a quick reminder of the case and it's timelines. It's shocking.

what it immediately made me think was 'You know what, why don't all the MEN in the world put in £1 instead,...

Also: considering that paedophile rings are most certainly used to capture politics by blackmail of intentionally compromised politicians, like in Belgium (and presumably Eppstein), this would be an excellent argument to ban men from public office.

If men cared enough about women and other people's children these trafficking rings would never get off the ground. That's why I suggest women do it.

@deepwatersolo

I remember watching this BBC documentary and then reading Regina Louf’s testimony. She was dismissed by the Belgian establishment as ‘unstable and unreliable’, and, therefore discredited and silenced. Of course she was.

As in the Epstein case, young women and children are used as leverage in blackmail or to extract favours by powerful men.

I don’t know in this case whether a wider ring was involved, it is pure speculation. I sincerely hope not. But I do strongly suspect there are rings out there involved in trafficking and this horrific crime needs to be stamped out.

Here is a link to Regina Louf on wiki.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regina_Louf

Wondering if the police are relying on journalists to uncover facts. It seems every other day a new piece of info or new person is discovered as an exclusive

Wondering if the police are relying on journalists to uncover facts.

They don’t need help uncovering anything. What they need help with - especially the German police, who have strict privacy laws to contend with - is getting information out into the public domain. Things they would never be allowed to release. So they make sure the media have just enough to set them on the right track and sit back and watch.

@arewedone true, though it takes a bit of digging to find it. It certainly slipped from the headlines pretty quickly.

When it first hit the news, one of my elderly relatives who’s followed the case avidly, messaged saying ‘they’ve got him.’ I could only reply ‘hope so’ but it seemed the police are so far from any actual evidence. The journalists are coming up with ‘exclusives’ but that’s a very different thing from evidence

I don’t think that a journalist coming up with an “exclusive” has anything to do with the police and more likely has everything to do with the tabloids wanting to be the ones who print “we broke the story first.”

People need to remember that most of what is printed in the press is pure fiction, with a little bit of truth in the middle to make it look realistic.

The actual MM part of this story has ddropped out of the media entirely, and now the press are focusing on presumed wider activities.

My suspicion is still that MM was used as a good way to spread the story around more and give it more leverage so that they could uncover what he’s really been up to.

That doesn’t mean that he didn’t kill MM, but it does seem as if the focus has moved largely away from that to other areas now, and that MM will likely just disappear out of focus altogether once the extent of other crimes has been exposed.

Sorry, it was meant tongue in cheek. Looking at the Red Tops headlines, was thinking about The Sun yesterday which made it sound as though the German investigators were asking Sun readers to help and today The Mirror with their exclusive find the mystery 3rd car !

One thing I have been thinking going back to MM. CB is portrayed as being very considered, reading about the rape attacks and the girlfriend who said he kept his Jag immaculate and his apartment tidy, possibly the reason he had wigs was to prevent hairs being left behind during his burglaries. So why would he risk taking MM if it was for his own gratification from a tourist resort. He lived in PDL and there are plenty of local children.

Going back to the media imo the police want to make it as difficult as possible for him to be released. They are using the trial by media to destroy him so that the safest place he can be is in solitary confinement and his only friends the police.

@Arewedone

One thing I have been thinking going back to MM. CB is portrayed as being very considered, reading about the rape attacks and the girlfriend who said he kept his Jag immaculate and his apartment tidy, possibly the reason he had wigs was to prevent hairs being left behind during his burglaries. So why would he risk taking MM if it was for his own gratification from a tourist resort. He lived in PDL and there are plenty of local children.

Because if he is guilty of everything he is linked to he'd got away with the little German tourist boy before. He might have thought that with a tourist child the family go home and the case goes cold - he hadn't counted on the persistence of the McCanns. The tidiness/cleanliness is more a sign of being forensically aware and an "organised" criminal rather than an opportunistic one.