Madeleine McCann- new suspect thread 2

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According to the weekly magazine ,der Spiegel‘ (German) CB may have profited from German police mistakes: They informed him quite early that he was under investigation for MM. it is behind a paywall so I only know indirectly, as the newspaper tz cited the article, so I can’t exactly say when they did so. But as an acquaintance Of CB from his ,newsstand‘ days remembers CB mentioning it, that must have been in 2013 or something, I think. (?). Lots of time to destroy evidence...

I wonder if it would be worth looking at his vehicle ownership/transfers around the times of the other missing children.

new thread for when this one is full.

It is intriguing. I wonder if they have ever managed to find Gerry’s missing tennis bag so it may not be the police have video evidence, perhaps a friend/acquaintance mentioned the bag.

Even the seemly opportunistic grabbing of a child that has run ahead if his parents on the beach can be organised in the sense of being on the look out for child to take, being parked nearby, knowing where you are going to take him to. It might require days of hanging about on the beach for the opportunity to arise, or identify a target child and following them/ the family in the hope that a chance to act arises.
Knowing Hazel's name, having broken into her apartment before the attack suggests an "organised" attacker rather than a "disorganised" one. The lack of forensics suggests someone that has planned how not to leave evidence (wear a leotard and tights so if the victim scratches you they aren't making contact with skin and so getting DNA under their nail etc).

Just posted in new thread. Are we using that one ?

Why would we use a new one when there's 100 messages left here?

Sorry I’ve gotten way ahead of myself. For some reason I read the post count at 992 instead of 902.

Oh ok, I re- post then;
I like most people have watched the news on the case since MMs disappearance.
I’ve just started to watch the Netflix series on this. I think it’s been done quite well so far ( I’m on episode 6), which shows the way people saw the case from different points of view.
I was really shocked to see Gerry and Kate McCann reading the hate mail they get. Obviously I knew they got it, but there must be some seriously disturbed people out there to taunt them.
I’m amazed at the Mccanns strength in dealing with this.

Second re-post;
A few points so far from the Netflix series.

Firstly Robert Murat. I think it was two or maybe three of the tapas group that said they had seen Murat at the time they were there. Why did they say they had seen him?
Second, before MM disappeared, a group of men were going around the area to collect money for an orphanage. ( This didn’t exist). One day a mother answers the door to one man, who was watching her daughter while they were talking. The next day, the woman went downstairs and found the same man in her house , next to her daughter. An attempted abduction of a child. Why wasn’t this a bigger story in the media, after MM went missing? Surely there couldn’t be that many child abducters in a small area, you’d think they were connected?
Thirdly, a holidaymaker called Smith saw a sighting of a man carrying a child. He reported this to Leicestershire Police on his return home. He said he was sure it was Gerry McCann.But how could this be possible, when Gerry was eating dinner with the tapas group? Obviously, the sighting was him, yet Smith was pretty convinced it was.
More questions than answers.

@Hearwego my opinion is that the person the smiths saw was not Gerry. Of course all we have is media reports and the witness statements from the PJ, but with the info in the public domain it would appear there was a small ring of 3 people in the Ocean club involved in burglary who passed info to CB.
The Driver of the ocean club called in sick that night and has a resemblance to Gerry. This is pure speculation. Of the other 2 one named Ricardo admitted passing on details to a 3rd party to aid robberies of passports etc.

CB according to his friends had a stack of passports that he sold to Eastern European’s.

Regarding the man carrying the child: I was under the impression that this was cleared up as a British tourist years later went to police and credibly stated it was him fetching his daughter from some daycare center? This finding then messed up the whole timeline and police started from scratch again... am I mistaken?

I too feel immensely guilty for doubting the Mccanns.

What I read against them seemed so plausible

I think there were two separate sightings of two different men carrying children. One was confirmed to be a British man carrying his own child and he still had his and her clothes to show it was them that had been spotted. The other man remains unidentified.

Ah, ok. Thank you OP.

Interestingly, I never seriously considered that the McCanns ‚did it‘.
I mainly followed the case in the German language press at the time, maybe the coverage was different, there.

@deepwatersolo yes this was definitely the case. They ascertained this was a tourist who collected his daughter from the crèche.

What was the reason the McCanns didn't use the crèche? I can't recall?

I’ve also watched the Netflix series recently and can’t understand why the attempted abduction of another child from their home was not a bigger story. I don’t remember having heard about it before watching that. I can’t remember if it was before or after Madeleine disappeared but either way is hugely significant surely.
And I agree if it’s the same person he must have surely felt he was invincible - or known he was unlikely to be prosecuted because of PJ incompetence or corruption?

Deepwater you could go into any pub or office in the UK and ask the question and you'll have the place in a full blown argument. Did they do it, did they drug the kids.
People really did listen to the stuff that was spouted by the police.
Maybe it's a different mentality people in the UK are very trusting of the police.

I think they thought it would disturb their sleep more to have to be lifted and carried home, I guess would have also required multiple trips as 3 kids and only 2 parents

Seeing a man carrying a child in a resort late at night wouldn’t be out of the ordinary.
Mind you. I’d imagine early May is relatively quiet, so most holidaymakers would probably recognise each other.

Anyone else concerned that there was allegedly so may paedophiles in the Algarve at that time? I assume they came from all over Europe?

I know every resort has crime of some sort. But I’m sure the McCanns wouldn’t go somewhere knowingly with so many unsavoury men around.

I don‘t know there was ever a reason discussed, but I would imagine they might have considered it more comfortable for the kids falling asleep in their own beds... I had my kid post-MM, so I was (irrationally) to leave him alone in obviously safe spaces even for minutes, but before that case I can imagine considering their arrangement a reasonable option, particularly with my ‚sleeping through the night like a stone uneakeable‘ kid.

Until these threads (the first one) I wasn’t ware there appeared to be a big paedophile problem in the algarve. It’s not somewhere I’ve been so no real reason for me to have researched the area to find out. I’m sure most people are unaware. I’ve never heard it discussed and I know a lot of people who have holidayed in Portugal over the years.

Make that: I was irrationally afraid to leave him alone...

And: unwakeable kid