Madeleine McCann- new suspect thread 2

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I am sure I have read in the past that to bypass difficulties in trying cases, due to X country being the crime scene, extradition to Y country etc. etc., sometimes they just move the court to that country. E.g. Move German court to Italy for the trial. I believe his challenge against his charges of rape is focused on him being extradited for drugs from Italy to Germany and now he is there they want to try him for the rape in Portugal.

Poor little girl. RIP Madeleine.
Thinking of her family and all the other families who've had their lives torn apart.
Here's hoping justice will be done.

Yes his challenge against the rape sentence is that he was extradited for drugs and then charged for rape.

I can see this becoming a catapult to some sort of European police force. You can't have free movement of people but not free movement of criminals.

It also makes you question why he’s so sure he’d be better off being investigated and potentially prosecuted in Portugal.

A british ex-girlfriend, violently attacked in her workplace, broke into her apartment and hid beneath her bed, and then stalked her.

'Portuguese police were twice called out to deal with Brueckner after she complained of the attack and stalking - but he was never charged.'

Never charged, another one!

As someone above says, the McCanns have shown so much resilience in the face of such disregard for victims and and crime, what a tragedy for their family and Madeleine.

well, given he hasn’t actually been charged with this crime yet he has a right to be protected.

He has that right even if he is convicted. It doesn’t disappear with a guilty verdict. I agree with you- I don’t want him bumped off before facing justice if he is the right man. But it smarts that he gets to feel safe while he sleeps.

News is CB lawyer has stepped down this morning and has been replaced with a more prominent lawyer.

Is it too much to hope this is because he’s been advised some very serious charges are heading his way?

@TheHoneyBadger

It also makes you question why he’s so sure he’d be better off being investigated and potentially prosecuted in Portugal.

Well it appears to an onlooker that as far as the Portuguese police force are concerned he doesn’t exist. So yes, being tried in Portugal would be a big plus point for him.

He seems to have been astonishingly lucky in evading prosecution. I am questioning why on earth that could be.

It’s almost as if there’s an international trend of not taking offences against women and children seriously

Yes indeed.
Plus the possibility that others in jobs with influence are involved with him in some way.

I suppose the chances Portuguese police officers are sitting around reading British parenting forums are a bit far-fetched.

They may as well have been, from the look of it. It's not as if they seem to have done a lot in terms of pursuing the attackers of women and children.

Reminds me of that awful case in Soham. The murderer had a long history of abuse, rape, stalking etc but none of it had led to prosecution.

The nation was outraged that his partner hadn't 'told the police what he was like'. Being vile and dodgy isn't a crime, and the bits that are crimes have high standards of proof.

So men like this will build up a steady progression of offending. Nobody will do anything until they commit either a stranger rape, a murder or a crime against a child. And when the background is made public, people will demand to know 'why wasn't he stopped'.

It's the paradox of not taking womens safety seriously.

It does also make you wonder about police and judges own beliefs and potentially behaviour when they don’t properly pursue crimes or hand out pitiful sentences in cases involving sexual violence.

Portugal is looking like it’s in a league of its own but can’t say UK is showered in glory when you see how many times eventual killers have been charged with crimes against women and children.

Someone mentioned Marc Dutroux upthread which reminds me that the Portuguese Police and criminal justice system aren’t the only inept ones by any means. Didn’t Dutroux get released after serious sexual assaults to go on to commit several horrendous kidnaps and murders? And there was a lot of speculation that as well as having several known accomplices, there were high ranking govt officials possibly involved in the paedophile ring? It’s horrible to think about. There’s obviously more chance of things being covered up when top names are involved, but so far that doesn’t seem to be the case with CB. If he did have accomplices they seem to be on his level rather than high ranking.
I hope there’s an outcome but there don’t seem to have been any further developments since his name was released. Lots of lurid press coverage but it’s not actually saying anything new

Re Ian Huntley, his girlfriend at the time had provided a false alibi for him. He was a violent man who she was frightened of, and yet she was treated in the press as though she had committed the crime herself. She hadn’t known that he was guilty, he had spun her a line about police harassment , and perhaps she convinced herself he was innocent, and was too scared to question it. A bad thing to do, but hardly equivalent to murdering two little girls.
She was convicted for her lie, and had to have her identity changed.

@MorrisZapp

Reminds me of that awful case in Soham. The murderer had a long history of abuse, rape, stalking etc but none of it had led to prosecution.

The nation was outraged that his partner hadn't 'told the police what he was like'. Being vile and dodgy isn't a crime, and the bits that are crimes have high standards of proof.

So men like this will build up a steady progression of offending. Nobody will do anything until they commit either a stranger rape, a murder or a crime against a child. And when the background is made public, people will demand to know 'why wasn't he stopped'.

It's the paradox of not taking womens safety seriously.

Well said.

I'm glad he is being protected because I want him to face justice. I don't want him to be given the opportunity to take the cowards way out. After that, I don't care what happens to him in jail.

Yes women are generally thrown under a bus when it comes to being taken seriously and then justice. But, why is this a surprise. We are constantly reminded that we should just STFU, even today by Daniel Radcliffe, Eddy Redmayne (see other thread). When BLM reach their goals perhaps we need a WLM.

It's interesting that some men go on to kill after rape or more particularly stranger rape. Why has no one picked up on this before? I've heard that if you look at a serial killers childhood they have a history of cruelty to animals, but not the above link.

CB's crimes seem sadistic, controlling and from a place of hatred (said by supposed victims). I wonder if he has serious issues with his childhood and youth. I say that just out of curiosity and not as a reason for his evil.

It's interesting that some men go on to kill after rape or more particularly stranger rape. Why has no one picked up on this before? I've heard that if you look at a serial killers childhood they have a history of cruelty to animals, but not the above link.

I think all abusers escalate tbh.

I assume Spock, it has something to do with the sheer amount of men who have dodgy behaviour towards women who don't go on to murder :(

It's so engrained in society that a causal link can't be shown between misogyny and murder iyswim

no you don’t, but equally even if someone has come forward there clearly isn’t enough evidence to charge him.

We don't know that either. Someone can come forwards with vital information but it has to be checked and verified depending on what it is. That takes time.

I am not familiar with German law but I assume they need to have a strong case before they charge him with murder.

I think we can surmise they believe he did it but do not have enough evidence to charge him, hence making the public statements to generate leads and clues to fill in the gaps.

Caleano the Belgian justice (and political) system clearly revealed itself as corrupt to the core regarding the Dutroux case. While regarding the Portuguese incompetence and misogyny are still on the table as an explanation, there is no way to explain the Belgian events away like that. Competent policemen who followed victim statements up were deliberately substituted by incompetent ones, were discredited - heck even files were altered to discredit them and their findings. And the prosecutor (Conerotte I think) whom people trusted had to step down because he attended a lunch with victims‘ families, because this ‚compromised his impartiality.‘ I kid you not. The obviously incompetent ones were unfailingly promoted. (There is a good documentary of the BBC where Regine Louf, a victim, was interviewed. And a German Public TV (ZDF) documentary about the >20 witnesses who died in the case). This may sound dramatic, but regarding Belgium, there is no doubt in my mind that the state had/has been captured by a paedophile blackmail gang at the highest level. There is seriously no other explanation for what went down there.

@deepwatersolo
What you describe as happening in Belgium is utterly dreadful.
Have any of the "top brass" been convicted ?
Have they broken up the paedophile ring ?

@LadyEloise yes they cracked the ring it is utterly heartbreaking when you read into this case. So many government officials involved that it facilitated this monster

There is a documentary about it called The Monster of Belgium.