Madeleine McCann- new suspect thread 2

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And playing devil’s advocate,while it is possible the Portuguese police are being deliberately obstructive, it’s also possible that the German police are desperate to take the credit for solving MM’s disappearance and someone is leaking enough information to hopefully prove some kind of point and hoping that someone will come forward. Also, they may have greater evidence that he is guilty of other crimes but throwing a high profile case into the mix means more people are likely to come forward regarding other crimes.

As yet no-one has come forward re MM, but people have regarding other crimes. I wonder if they’re using MM as some kind of means to heighten the need for people to talk about him so they can convict him of other crimes.

I suspect that he will be charged and convicted of some crimes, but that MM’s disappearance will never be one of them.

Well, possibly (re tourist season) but surely you'd think they'd have got the message by now that sticking stubbornly to the idea that there isn't any crime here and nothing bad ever happens isn't especially reassuring! Actually admitting they'd made a mistake and renewing all efforts to make the place secure would make me feel a lot happier about visiting there TBH.

Though I suppose the chances Portuguese police officers are sitting around reading British parenting forums are a bit far-fetched.

You could be right the German police have gone all in to force the Portuguese hand. It is certainly beyond incompetence that is going on within Portuguese police.

I've actually found a increased respect for the McCann's for them to have realised so soon that the police weren't helping. They have stood firm all these years. Even when the police were pointing the finger at them. That would have broken many people and probably most marriages.

I wonder if the EU Parliament can do anything to investigate the Portuguese police or to apply pressure for them to cooperate.

If he is guilty, I hope they gather enough evidence to prosecute him. Give some closure to the family.

As yet no-one has come forward re MM well, you don't know that actually.

Less concerned about his safety than I am with getting answers for families and finding out all the links in the chain of child abuse and it’s consumers that he’s connected to and closing them down. It is necessary to keep him safe if they’re to have any chance of doing that.

well, you don't know that actually. no you don’t, but equally even if someone has come forward there clearly isn’t enough evidence to charge him.

The police claim that they have evidence, but whatever evidence it is, it’s not enough. I suspect they’re more than likely bluffing.

I'd guess that relations between German and Portuguese police and prosecutors are a little strained because he was tried and convicted in Germany for an unsolved crime in Prtyugal

That's really unusual - normally new evidence (found in Germany) wouid be relayed to the investigating authorities at the location of the crime, who wouid phen re-open or continue investigations and prosecute if case became strong enough (using EAW to get suspect apprehended and turned over, or extradited some other way)

They didn't do that. I'm assuming there must be a extra-territoriality on the relevant Gernam laws, so a German national can be tried for seriois offences in Germany regardless of where the offence is committed.

So why not prosecuted in Portugal? Were the Portuguese authorities just not interested in prosecuting him themselves? Or did the Germans not want him out of their hands? (There have been enough mentions of other video material,and other crimes that they might have strong reason to want to keep him close and keep him banged up). Or something else?

Edith good points in there.
I think there might be an element that the Germans don't want him out their hands, especially since they are tying him together with other missing children.

Edith I do think the relationship between German and Portuguese police is strained, but I think there is an additional angle to why the Germans want to keep this in their hands: They have him now in a cell and are convinced he is a serial offender (actually: serial killer) who - they are convinced - has killed Maddie and Inga and others. They want to get him now, for whatever murder they can prove. If not for Maddie, then for Inga (which happened in Germany), or for... I suspect this link to at least one German case is their argument for keeping it all in their hands.
What they want to avoid at all costs is that he walks because of some technicality (some transfer papers not signed in time as happened before).

I get the impression that almost every police force in Europe are talking over the heads of the Portuguese Polícia Judiciária, trying to keep important investigations out of their hands so they can’t screw them up. They’re a kind of problem child.

What I wonder about is the suspect's primary motivations. He certainly enjoys it, the older woman who he raped and recorded said as much. But beside indications that that is his motivator (like the online chat where he phantasizes about doing this shit), there is this time where he (allegedly) said to an ex on the eve of Maddie's disappearance: 'I have to do a horrific job on [that day], but it will change my life...big money...' which would indicate that he might have made this stuff (e.g. videos) primarily for the money. That might explain why his victim range is so wide in age (of course he could also just be a sadist and torture whoever he can).

@deepwatersolo the McCanns have said that Madeleine was never known as Maddie and they dislike her being referred to that way.

@deepwatersolo the McCanns have said that Madeleine was never known as Maddie and they dislike her being referred to that way.

Never heard that before. Sure looks like they've been fighting a losing battle on that front.

Never heard that before. Sure looks like they've been fighting a losing battle on that front.

I thought you probably hadn’t (heard it), and yes the “Maddie” thing is widespread, thanks to the red tops.

Since I first read that Kate didn’t like it, I always think how horrible and strange it must be for them to effectively lose her twice, once in reality and then all over again to the media machine, who’ve made her a kind of product.

there is this time where he (allegedly) said to an ex on the eve of Maddie's disappearance: 'I have to do a horrific job on [that day], but it will change my life...big money...' which would indicate that he might have made this stuff (e.g. videos) primarily for the money. That might explain why his victim range is so wide in age (of course he could also just be a sadist and torture whoever he can)

Yes, I had the same thought about the significance of those alleged comments about having to do a “horrible” job the next day; That maybe that explains why his victim profile is so unusually broad and his MO so variable, because he is committing some crimes to satisfy his perversions and some for money (and some as quid pro quo for others in a “ring” with him?)

OTOH, maybe he didn’t say it all and he really is just that depraved.

There was a need report yesterday from someone he worked with that said they thought he was some sort of gigolo as he would often take out older women. Some much older. It certainly doesn’t seem like he has any respect for women .

*News report

What the McCanns have been going through - aside from the obvious, most horriffic primary catastrophe - is horriffic on many levels.

The media and our culture sure have made the girl into some depersonated 'icon' and even 'running gag' - which is basically all associated with a name they didn't give her and don't like. Then half the people (I hope less, but online it feels like a lot) inexplicably still think 'the parents did it' or at least 'provoked it'... And all that while having to function for their younger kids.

I know some have criticized them for 'keeping the case alive', but I admire them for their strength to do that despite the fall out and even though what media do with the topic (the name just being one example) will often hurt them. They are fighting for their kid no matter the cost to themselves. I admire that.

Just found the article which was from his ex girlfriend

News is CB lawyer has stepped down this morning and has been replaced with a more prominent lawyer.
@deepwatersolo I too admire the McCanns resilience and that they have powered through together. I re watched the Netflix documentary last night and the press were relentless.

@AlternativePerspective insightful posts .
I agree; it’s seemed from the moment CB’s name was released into the public domain, the German police think its likely he’s connected to a number of major crimes including the disappearance of at least one child in Germany. There has been a response to the appeal for information, but there isn’t enough to charge him with anything to do with the disappearance of MM. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if they manage to make further charges stick relating to other crimes but I’m not confident there’ll be an outcome for this one.

He’s obviously a highly dangerous man and the longer he’s imprisoned the better. But I’m not convinced there’ll ever be justice for MM. I really hope there is, but it’s not looking positive. Of course none of us know exactly what’s going on behind the scenes but the circumstantial stuff that we do know isn’t a great deal when you’re talking about ‘beyond reasonable doubt’. If people are coming forward with information about other crimes but not MM, clearly people are willing to speak, and it may just be the case that horrendous though he is, he didn’t abduct her. Or that possibly he did but it will never be proved. And unless it can be proved beyond reasonable doubt it’s important that he isnt convicted to satisfy public opinion and a strong desire among police forces to solve the crime. Because that’s not justice for the innocent victim at the centre of this.

I reckon he might end up like Epstein. Maybe too many people to protect.

I‘ve suspected there might be an elite paedo ring behind this for a long time Vivien. Like they had with that Potuguese orphanage, like they had in Belgium (Dutroux was not a loner. The >20 witnesses did not die for nothing.) - and then with this Freud guy... But now with CB, I don‘t think that any more. I can imagine him and maybe some like minded guy who helped abducting, filming and killing children. And then selling the videos on the net (so, basically delivering material an online paedo network for money). But I don‘t think CB had the infrastructure or connections, say, Dutroux had, to make this type of stuff happen.

@ Caelano I think regardless of what happens here this means that the search for Madeleine has ended.

I think that even if he is never charged in regards to MMCs disappearance, the likelihood that he will be convicted of other crimes means that it will be an unspoken belief that he was responsible for Madeleine’s abduction and murder, and the case will drop there without any other leads ever being looked into.

I think the fact that many of his crimes were committed in Portugal gave the police the opportunity to use Madeleine as a means to gain a lot more Europe-wide publicity than they otherwise would have.