Madeleine McCann- new suspect thread 2

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I don’t understand what on earth the police are playing at with the Diogo Silva business- they can’t not have found the one who looks like the e-fit and lives in Praia de Luz, but if he is definitely not the man they are looking for he is going to come in for an awful lot of hassle from vigilantes and internet randoms now.

I will say before name changing that I know the first husband of Leonor Cipriano, the mother of Joana.

He clearly is the man and if 13 years of appeals haven’t forced him out, perhaps the public knowing may or may not have been involved in madeleines disappearance will.

He will have to come out to clear his name for a start. I think it’s a very calculated move.

@BlueTreeBlue - .....and?

I don't imagine he reads mn, so hope it won't hurt to type this (!) but maybe the plan is for him to come forward as he has proof he wasn't in the area, therefore shooting himself in the foot when he proves he was in the area the phone call came from?

@cheerfulpotato because of knowing the circumstances very well, I feel it would add some weight to what I’m saying. I really don’t understand why people do not believe these horrific things happen at home and perpetrated by the very same people who should be looking after the children’s best interests. In my view trying to attribute everything to a foreign criminal from out of the family circle is doing a disservice to abused children. Yes, this mother killed her child. Valentina’s father killed his child. So many children were murdered by one of their parents. Joana’s mother has been sentenced for it. Why are people now saying to look into it again to accuse someone else?

And perhaps a move the U.K. police were not bold enough to make. It’s risky for sure but I just think that’s what’s going on here. They are letting public shame and pressure do the work.

That makes sense, thanks.

“Portugal is ranked among the three countries with the highest rate of infant deaths from ill treatment: 90% of abused children have been victims of domestic violence, which can have serious consequences on the physical and mental development of children”.
www.humanium.org/en/portugal/

Blue tree do you honestly believe that her mother got those bruises falling down stairs?

I wasn't there, but my usual response at an injured person in police custody with injuries that were allegedly caused by falling down the stairs is one of suspicion. Even more so if there've also been convictions for perjury amongst officers involved.

What was the evidence for the mother having lied about being beaten up? I'd be interested to hear more.

Amaral the Portugal police chief in the original investigation did an Australian podcast years later & said Martin Ney was not a suspect but another German paedophile. Amaral also said that one of the persons of interest in the case bore a strong resemblance to Gerry McCann.
Which as Beyond mentioned Diogo Silvia does look like Gerry.

Blackbear19 of course I don’t. I believe she was physically abused either by her fellow inmates or the police officers. I’m not saying the policing methods during the interviews were correct (I believe she was also interviewed without a lawyer) and of course if it was the police officers who did that to her, that’s just completely unacceptable.
But is she innocent from killing Joana? No, she is not, and there is evidence apart from her confession. If they wanted to find someone innocent to pin the murder on, they already had the uncle for that.

What actual evidence do they have she killed her DD other than the confession?

But if you accept the possibility that she wrongly had time added for perjury when actually the police did beat her up, that would cast doubt on everything about the way the case was handled. This would still be true even if one felt she did it.

What is the evidence other than the withdrawn confession?

BlueTreeBlue Can I ask what you think of the uncle saying afterwards that he had seen photos of Joana alive afterwards in a room that is not a poor persons house? I don’t understand that part at all.

What evidence is there that she killed her? It does seem to the casual observer that ber her confession was beaten out of her, and Joana's body has never been found. Is it beyond doubt that this child was killed by her mother and not a possible victim of the MM suspect?

Yes, I do agree the whole case has been handed badly. Before and during the court. If it is true that the police have beaten her up then the whole thing is even more of a shambles. But that doesn’t mean to say she wasn’t murdered by her mother and her uncle. Why would they want to put an innocent woman away if they already had the uncle - if the motive was to close the case?
The uncle and the mother first confessed to having done a private adoption of Joana to a family in Spain, and that he (the uncle) saw pictures of Joana living a happy life in Spain. But when they were asked about the contacts of this Spanish family who adopted Joana, they couldn’t provide any other details.

Bluetree what actual evidence is there beyond he said, she said?

Is the private adoption stuff and lots of other professionals in Portugal who presumably don't actually know the family thinking the mother and uncle did it the other evidence you refer to bluetreeblue, or is there more?

@peaceanddove

Anyone else find it chilling that Clement Freud lived locally and invited the McCann's to his villa? He is now a known paedophile.

Really? Is this true? How do you know this?

@BeatrixPottersAlterEgo for me it is beyond doubt that little Joana was not killed by the MM suspect; I believe the family was involved, to different degrees. Yes the interviews were a shambles but if you look at even the most hardcore online sleuths, media etc, they all concur that the police work was problematic but that it definitely happened in the family circle and they reject any comparisons to the MM case.

I’m going to remove myself from this thread because I think I’ve provided a balanced view but it’s not possible to have a balanced dialogue. It’s upsetting me because of the reasons mentioned before. While people have this disbelief that children sometimes are horrifically abused and find their deaths at home by the very same people who are meant to look after them, this means this will continue to happen even for longer. I have shown other info to demonstrate how these cases are unfortunately not unusual in Portugal and probably other countries but it is Portugal we are talking about. I have no reason to defend the MM suspect, the Portuguese police or anything else.
I hope we soon find out if the MM suspect did it or not so her family can have some closure.

@Blackbear19 this is not what he said, she said, it’s confessions that have been registered. I see you are adamant in believing it’s the MM suspect or that it wasn’t Joana’s family and that’s fine. I don’t get why you would though.