Patronii in person, anti Dementors visit the zoo

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Never started a long running thread before but I figure even lurkers should take a turn. Hope the title ok.

Just been for first swim.of the season. It was glorious.

Cold but really fun waves to splash around in. We all got in for a bit.

I feel so much better. Highly recommended.

Lol, brilliant!!

My late gran and her sister were terrible hand rubbers. They would scan the death announcements for people they had a tenuous link to, and pop along for the funeral buns.

They were delightful, kind people and very community minded. Always willing to lend a hand. But then so were the knitters at the guillotine.

@Pleasedontdothat It'll be spun as 'it's the weekend, the deaths are delayed'

The thing I'm really disliking about this situation is how separate it's making me feel the UK is. Each country is doing their own thing in their own way. I lived in Wales for years and was aware of the anti english sentiment to some degree but not enough to make me leave quickly. I don't like how covid is making us all appear separated. Brexit made a good start on that and now covid is dividing us all further. I find it quite sad.

Me and my husband were going to join the quakers. They’ve always come across as a nice bunch of people.
However the only meeting were early Sunday mornings.
There’s no chance of me giving my bed up early in The morning..So that idea was scotched.
We are thinking of throwing our lot in with the pagans next
Their meetings are in york and until the caravan site is open we won’t be getting there either.

( I bet they are meeting in the qt in a grassy dell somewhere)

Re the second wave theat hopefully won’t happen. I’m hoping people will be so full of vitamin d from their forays into the sunshine that it will come to nothing.

Golden ombré..I love your description..I can imagine les Dawson when he used to dress as a woman whispering lung cancer like that.
In fact my mums next door neighbour was a bit of a bringer of doom.
I think they do it to ward off evil spirits..if they whisper it like that,..they can get it out of their system and it won’t come back to haunt them.

Oh those magazines are dreadful..I can’t read them. Even when given to me by my dil, who obviously could. 😂

@NowImLivinInExeter 😂

Thanks for sharing that!

Such is my level of fed-up-ness today that I’ve just booked an eye wateringly expensive Winter Wonderland trip to Center Parcs in December. In doing so, I’ve probably single handedly caused the third wave.

Brrr Nihil
That’s brave
My daughters started having a few dil’s in the sea..she even did that nude dawn dip in the sea around new year, I think.
Dh and I went out to look at the pots on the patio...then came rushing back in
Bloody freezing
My dd does say it’s exhilarating though

Someone just said I was like Boris Johnson on another thread

I mean, I've been insulted before but that is on another level

Driving..was looking at flights for October and December the other day but just a bit scared to take the plunge yet
Used to take my kids to CP every April/ May till they got up to exam time and we switched to the weekend before Christmas
Was magical
Haven’t been for about 20 years now

Lol

Just got in from a 30 mile drive and a food 7km hike. Doing my bit to start the 2nd wave and also two fingers up to Sturgeon’s 5 mile bullshit.

@MrsArchchancellorRidcully
As ever i'm too late to the thread - they move too fast!!
But I just noticed your doubt a few pages back and wanted to say that I totally get what you mean.
The great thing about this thread is that we are all sensible enough to see that yes, we could be wrong, and nuanced enough to understand people's legitimate fears; yet be pretty confident that overall there is a lack of sensible risk-assessment and too much gleeful bitterness and cruelty.
So it is absolutely normal to think, as I'm sure many of us do, "Oh God, what if, however small the risk, X gets it and dies"; but it is also absolutely normal to question what has happened over the past weeks, and the effects on the future.
(actually though, despite being a massive hyperchondriac, I don't think we're wrong!)
And as for the whole "dying alone" thing discussed upthread, this comes from the same place as the "drowning in their own fluids". As if Covid deaths are fundamentally different from others. They aren't. So so many people are not with their relatives when they die; and not everyone wants to be. But hey, who wants nuance.

Did anyone see I took one for the team when I started the Part Two..to think lockdown should end now thread.
Well I think there’s a few people over there, who might not realise their tribe is over here.

I never joined on till the last one or two as I thought it was a Harry Potter thread.

It might be worth mentioning on that thread..or not.
What does the team think?

Well done Karona.defininitely being active and getting out in nature is good for the mh
We might have a drive up to seaham later to blow the cobwebs away

We were supposed to be in center parcs in May. Pushed back til September for now but we won't go unless it's fully business as normal with the pool and the activities.

Out if curiosity, how eye watering are we talking for pre-Xmas?

Dowser go for it. I linked a previous incarnation of this thread for someone a while back and they were pleased to find us.

@Dowser I'm on that thread and have now delurked over here I've been coming here for the sanity.

Well yes it is. But seeing as it was 9 on the previous two Sundays and 20 something before that, I think we can safely say it is a positive downward trend.

Nah I refuse to accept that 'zero deaths' is good news. I am waiting until the deaths are in minus numbers. Unless the hospitals start bringing people back from the dead, in double figures, I am going to stay gloomy. YOU CAN'T BE TOO CAREFUL

But I just noticed your doubt a few pages back and wanted to say that I totally get what you mean.

Yes I'm the same. I keep reading news about Sweden as a counterpoint to what's going on here. It seems as though they've made mistakes (including with care homes) but are still convinced that keeping the economy going was the right thing to do. I think it will be a long time until we can really look back and see what the right strategy should have been but I do struggle to understand the logic for dragging the lockdown on for so long. Other countries are opening up and are not seeing huge spikes in infections. People really are at the end of their tether now (myself included!). It doesn't seem right to carry this on for so long with no clear timelines.

@GoldenOmber

Well yes it is. But seeing as it was 9 on the previous two Sundays and 20 something before that, I think we can safely say it is a positive downward trend.

Nah I refuse to accept that 'zero deaths' is good news. I am waiting until the deaths are in minus numbers. Unless the hospitals start bringing people back from the dead, in double figures, I am going to stay gloomy. YOU CAN'T BE TOO CAREFUL

PHE do sometimes report a negative number (as sometimes deaths get reported twice (by hospital and community) and then they end up correcting them in a group resulting in a negative number. This can then result in the daily deaths being less than the hospital deaths, which results in dementor wailing about conspiracies.

Indeed, I think PHE numbers were actually negative last Sunday and Monday. It's entirely possible we are in for our first sub100 day today.

I think it will be a long time until we can really look back and see what the right strategy should have been

Made all the more difficult because deaths were reported as CV-19 if the dead person might conceivably have had the virus, so how can we tell how many were saved?

It'll be years before we can look back and see the excess deaths, and even then it'll be hard to separate out the ones who've died of other causes (suicide, undiagnosed cancer, untreated heart attacks) and factor in the lives that have been saved by, eg, the greatly reduced transport use. I can see a lot of undergrad dissertations on it.

Guardian reading leftie here! I think part of the problem if you're a Guardian reader (or indeed writer) is that you start off with an inbuilt dislike/distrust of the government, and then over the last few months, you've seen them being complete twats, unable to manage any stage of this crisis with any coherence or logic, and as a result you get to a default position where anything they propose must automatically be wrong! [Which I suspect is part of the problem with re-opening schools]. My personal belief is that if we get out of this without a second wave (which on a good day, I think we will), it will be despite the government, rather than because it. I've found these threads really helpful - especially because we don't all come from exactly the same position, but respect and are nice to people with other points of view. I'm only venturing onto some of the other threads when I feel quite robust...

It's entirely possible we are in for our first sub100 day today.

77! This is great news.

(obviously, obviously, 77 too many and thoughts with their families and so on, but still this is really good. Still no VE day spike I see...)

I'm also a guardian reading leftie for the most part but have become increasingly annoyed with it over the last couple of months for its relentless negativity.

I fcking hate Boris Johnson and his gang of pricks, I think the government has done a dreadful job, but I am also not pro lockdown.