We're all going on a summer holiday

[MinnieMountain]

Even if it means 2 weeks of quarantine
The anti -dementors are here to be reasonable and sensible about everything.

Whoever starts the next one can it please reference dangerous buffoons in the title?

How close to Conwy do you live @justasking111? I love that area. We've got a holiday cottage booked there for the last week of June but I suspect that beginning of July will be the earliest that we will be allowed to stay in holiday accommodation and that may not include travelling from England to Wales.

I'm so delighted I've found this thread. Felt like I was going mad. I've still got friends washing their shopping
Very interesting and positive stories here that the media tends to ignore - mainly from the likes of Prf Sikora, Prf Gupta, Nobel winner Prf Levitt.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMxiv15iKMFayYY_3fU9loQ

New Welsh national anthem?

@Mrsfrumble

Hello Rebels! DCs and I spent 6 hours in the park today, most of them up a tree (DCs, not me!) and it was glorious. DCs played with lots of other children, and I’ve noticed a subtle test all the parents are doing; making a half-hearted attempt at telling your children to stay away from the others while eyeing up the other parents, and if they seem relaxed then giving in and letting them play unheeded. At one point there were about 10 children hanging out of the same tree, all pretending to be different animals. It was the first night since lockdown began that they went to bed with no fuss and were both fast asleep before 9. Hooray!

I just saw a chart showing R rates for different regions and it seems that despite most of us apparently abandoning the rules weeks ago, London seems to have one of the lowest now. I wonder why?

I'm in London too and I suspect we share a borough. DH's theory about R rates in London is that Londoner's immune systems are hardened by consistent use of the tube so they took one look at corona virus and went 'You can if you think you're hard enough!' And it wasn't .

Whoever starts the next one can it please reference dangerous buffoons in the title?

Haha yes! But it must be used as a verb. To dangerous buffoon.

Social distancing: A practical guide to how to socialise now https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52848793

This - poorly written - article is peak dementor.

I can't quite believe it's been published and on the front page of the website.

It repeatedly suggests if you've had it before you can act differently, which I also didn't think was exactly what's suggested by the guidelines (albeit true).

@mrsfrumble - in the youtube link I shared many of the professors have views on this. Prof Gupta from oxford esp believes the virus was active a while ago and the r number - which we actually cannot know as sufficient testing has not beeen done - is low because of immunity - including natural immunity. She doubles down on her previous assertion that Ferguson is wrong.

DH said he saw a Facebook meme said "I've been washing my hands for 2 months, when will the government tell me I can shower again"😄
Do you find it's the silly little things that push you over the edge? The other day we had one of those days that would lead to mid-week wine opening at the best of times but the village flower and produce show in September being cancelled was the final straw and I don't even enter anything.

Just came on to post the BBC guide Count posted..

how dramatic! Also totally dementoring on there about levels and how lockdown is too soon etc as well

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52858392

I note they do not ask or mention the ones actually involved but other ones instead

The BBC guide also says if shielding you would not be doing gatherings however it is actually a choice in particular for the terminally ill as to how they use that guidance as well. Totally missed the nuance in that guidance there.

Count, thanks for that link. So, bring your own cutlery and coleslaw and “ Probably the toilet paper is going to be contaminated - you are definitely taking a risk by doing this.”. So possibly if you are meeting up in garden, bring your own bog roll as well?

Morning fellow buffoons!
I was sent the measures being taken by our primary for the return to school (I'm a governor) we go back on the 10th. I am LIVID absolutely livid. But there only appears to be me and one other anti dementor....raging about this so now I don't know if they're actually being dementors or I'm wrong (though as DH would testify, I'm never wrong 😁).
Among other things they want to take the kids temperatures when they get into school.
Firstly The government guidance states that “settings do not need to take children’s temperatures every morning. Routine testing of an individual’s temperature is not a reliable method for identifying coronavirus. Educational and childcare settings should reiterate to parents the need to follow the standard national advice on the kind of symptoms to look out for that might be due to coronavirus, and where to get further advice.” So my worry is that a childs temperature is taken and the person doing so thinks it is high (some people just have a higher base temperature) and so the child is sent home. Having their education disrupted for an unreliable test. Not to mention, again as a parent Im not sure I would be completely happy with my child having to be checked each time they enter school.
Not to mention any parent could challenge or refuse this and as a school we wouldn’t have a leg to stand on to enforce it.
They're not doing it now for children of keyworkers so why implement it now? I asked the question and apparently its following communication with the teachers union.
So it is at odds with the guidance and If it was actual "we have to do this because its safer for x y and z reasons and the benefit is a b and c" fair enough but "we're having to do this because we are scared your nasty germy kids are gonna give us the plague...."
Fuck that shit right off

Loki so it actually goes against guidance but they're doing it "because the Union said so"?

I think "because the union told me to" is going to be my new excuse for everything baseless and nonsensical that I do

I love this thread!!! I wish I had found it sooner! I wrote to my local MSP (Scotland) yesterday asking why on earth my children would not return full time on 11th August since our region has had multiple days of zero cases! If they use the phrase blended learning just once more I will lose it. That and the people diving into bushes to avoid the lepars (my children). Can't wait for a holiday ! Have just renewed son's passport. We were meant to be going to Florida/cruise in October - given the extreme measures being applied by Disney we will hopefully push out to 2021. Considering Jersey in August and Lanzarote in October !

Yes @RubberDinghyRapids
That along with other measures (such as masks at pick up and drop off - I have also made my feelings about that and how that goes against the guidance very clear)are making me want to scream.
Theres a whole section dedicated to staff wellbeing but absolutely no acknowledgement that some children may be anxious in returning. How will they feel rocking up at school with teachers in masks and lining up to have their temperature taken??
And the impact if they get sent home with a high temp, particularly in y6 where some kids can be mean, of then being labelled as some kind of typhoid mary.

My DS has bad hay fever and constantly sneezing, hoping they don't keep sending him home or testing him (school). They aren't taking their temp every day though. I could give puritan but it can make you drowsy so don't want to do that every day

"we're having to do this because we are scared your nasty germy kids are gonna give us the plague...."

Couldn't agree more. I was chatting with a primary teacher friend last night and she's furious with the 26 pages of stupid rules she has been sent. Especially since none of these rules applied with key worker children.

She said she'd be happy to just ignore it and get on with teaching but her colleagues are all full dementor. She was told off last week for the murderous granny-killing crime of washing up her mug in the sink rather than putting it in the dishwasher. The dangerous buffoon.

Also the kids have to take a bottle of water in but they can't refill it. So in the current heat with outdoor play they could end up dehydrated?!

I do wonder how much of this is affected by people thinking so much about the theory/endless possibilities, but then when they get to work and get settled in they might relax a bit. So much is driven by fear of the unknown. The nursery staff who came back from furlough a month ago were definitely quite anxious, but they're so different now. One worker in particular was openly nervy when she first came back, and when I asked her yesterday at pick up if they were ready for Monday when they go to 50% capacity she said "oh yes! Just want to get cracking now, I can't wait to see some of the other kids back". We chatted about how the staff who haven't worked at all during this period will feel differently to her, and she was very much of the opinion that they will relax quickly and get used to it. They've put in as much social distancing as possible whilst acknowledging they can't put kids in bubbles or change nappies from a distance.

@heroku
Exactly!!!! We are keyworkers, DS started back at school two weeks ago. The most uniony of union teachers has been in this whole time. None of these measures needed. Why now?

FWIW nursery setting is the same next week when numbers increase. They've had to move the cots 2m apart in the baby room..... but presumably they'll be bumping into each other and licking the toys for the 7 hours they're awake. Work our the sense in that.

Yes exactly @RubberDinghyRapids I have no doubt that will happen across the board, but it will take time for everyone to get back to work and regain their perspective. In the meantime, we'll still have to listen to their alarmist bleating unfortunately.

But in that time @Delta1 how many children will be scared of going in, or refuse. How many children will have had days of education interrupted being sent home. Just to make someone else feel better.
Also that drop off, with masks just sends a message to the parents "this school may not be safe" and in a world where everything is polarised into 'safe' and 'not safe' (as people seem unable to process that there are about 50 degrees in between) then that is a harmful message.

@Pootle I was horrified when I read about the measures Disney are implementing. Talk about sucking the joy out of it all. I can't imagine who would be prepared to mask up in 40 degree heat.