Drag queen at wedding

[wedding2021]

I'm considering having a drag queen sing at my wedding. What would you think if you were at a wedding and a drag queen had been booked to perform? Obviously they'd tone it down a bit with swearing etc.

"Unless you think pervert groups are lurking behind every drag queen and gay person which some seem to think"

No. Not lurking behind individual people. Not any one person.

Lurking at Pride, getting off on innocent kids who have been exposed by their parents seeking to be inclusive. Hiding behind the rainbow and expecting to be accepted into the LGBTQ community.

But then you know that. And that I was directly responding to an individual posters comments.

Turning it into "clap for MAP" and joking about it is pretty twisted. Innocent people are being lured in by paedophiles at every Pride event. Glad you think it's funny though

Lurking at Pride,

The thread is about singing at a WEDDING.
Nothing to do with Pride.

I didn't turn it into Clap For Map, you did that all by yourself (think it was you, apologies if not) by completely misreading what someone commented and thought they were bringing clapping into it
Which is why it went a bit WTF lol

Well that escalated quickly

To answer a few points... the drag queen is my next door neighbour (who is actually a nurse during the day), they wouldn't be doing an 'act' as such, I'd just be wanting them to sing some cheery, happy, cheesy songs for a bit in the evening so people wouldn't have to sit down in silence to watch as some posters were worried about. Oh and there will be 5 children there (mine and my niece/ nephews) but as they will only be singing songs I didn't think it was inappropriate.

Thanks for all your views.

FFS.

@crustycrab, what makes you the spokesperson for all lesbians everywhere?

If you truly object to perverts co-opting Pride, argue against that. Don't pretend that that's what Pride is about.

Shoehorning this issue into the OP's (granted: odd) question makes you sound very strange.

I didn't misread anything.

MNetters clapping is a completely shit comparison. And that poster was calling me a homophobe.

I was responding directly to one poster with one particular point. Like I've said many times.

You sound defensive now, read back and found out what MAP is or googled it I suppose. Not so funny now is it? Sick 🤢

@JoeExoticsEyebrowRing I don't think you're getting the point. Drag is an art form and it can be both child friendly and more adult. I don't get the need to put it in a box.

I was making the point that people say that it is somehow necessary for drag queens to read to kids in libraries or that kids need to be exposed to drag to teach them about 'inclusivity' and I was saying that there are better role models out there than overly sexualised offensive caricatures of women. I don't understand how drag is 'child friendly' or why it even needs to be.

As for the comments about flowjob, that seems to be none of your business, she's not actively promoting that to kids so what's the issue.

Flowjob put pictures from his visit to his school on his public, adult, Instagram page without the consent of parents. He was introduced to the children as 'Flo' and his twitter handle couldn't even be tagged in the schools tweet about his visit because it was sexually explicit, and would have linked the school to a sexually explicit twitter page. All this is apparently A-OK and anyone who questions it is a bigot according to Mhairi Black and I want to know... Why?!

You seem to have a stark misunderstanding about both the history of drag and what it is.

OK, what is the history of drag then and how is it relevant to kids? Because, admittedly I have only seen it in the mainstream, but all I see are women being taken the piss out of and caricatured. I mean, do women not have a problem with being referred to as 'fishy'?

@SarahAndQuack I'm not the spokesperson for lesbians. You think Pride was a welcoming place for them. Have you RTFT?

Anyway, I was too busy yesterday and I'm too busy tonight. If there are another 200 posts from the pp I was having a discussion with then I might look in.

No, I don't think Pride was a welcoming place for 'them'.

I think it is, often, a welcoming place for 'us'.

I have explained why it's important for children like my daughter to get to see Pride events.

You sound frankly unhinged in your emphasis on the minority of perverts you've discovered. Congratulations! There is an acceptable front for homophobia. I'm sure you're delighted.

@crustycrab unfortunately your post came across as that is what you meant. Multiple people have picked that up so it’s not just me who said so!

@JoeExoticsEyebrowRing somehow necessary for drag queens to read to kids in libraries or that kids need to be exposed to drag to teach them about 'inclusivity'

^ no one has said this. Anti drag people said what about the children and they brought in the idea it’s disgusting that they are allowed to read to children in library’s etc. @grumpyorange (who I’m presuming you are talking about!) simply responded to these claims. She never said all drag queens should read to children with immediate effect did she? She said if it did happen there is nothing wrong with it!

@Crustycrab and other, I am the one who mentioned the clap for NHS. And yes I took the piss out of it. I didn't mention MAP, you did. Other than the morning after pill I am clueless what it means to begin with.

If I said for example - mn is mainly full of miserable people, too stuck up their own arses to think about others. Instead, they prefer to show the world oh look at me, clapping like a mindless sheep, whilst in secret they nasty, vicious spiteful witches. -- If I said that I would be ripped to shreds for the blatantly obvious.

That is what I posted. So I haven't a clue what you are going on about.

@wedding2021

I have to ask. Have you made a decision

In all honestly, I hope you have a wonderful day however you and the other lucky person decides to entertain your guests.

Remember the fewer guests attend means there more money on booze etc

no one has said this.

But that is the response to people questioning why suddenly libraries everywhere are holding 'story times' with grown men dressed as cartoon versions of 'female' reading to kids (also featuring teaching children to twerk and children climbing all over said grown man). The response is that children should be exposed to drag because it teaches them about being 'different', inclusivity, acceptance.

I don't think kids should be exposed to drag, because it's adult entertainment, it was never meant for children. If it was then names like Malestia Child, Anna Bortion or Penny Tration wouldn't be seen as 'funny drag names', and the core of drag comedy wouldn't be constant inneundo and insulting women (which is what I have seen in mainstream drag).

If you truly object to perverts co-opting Pride, argue against that. Don't pretend that that's what Pride is about

Well said

@SarahAndQuack God. "Them" because I wasn't there last year. Are you always so pedantic? You've got me entirely wrong.

The post that has since been deleted so I can't explain it word for word was definitely misinterpreted @Livingonachair. However, I accept that I probably worded it wrong. I have said repeatedly that other posters can explain what I actually was talking about better than me.

Not least, because this is a personal and emotive subject for me. Being called a fucking homophobe has done it though.

@canigooutyet yes you referenced and mocked something you admit to having no idea about. The strength of feeling in every post that has spoke about it should have told you that wasn't going to be appropriate.

@LemonadeAndDaisyChains All this giggling and "I know right" type of messaging in between your other posts smacks of high school bully.

Like I said, I've been quite involved with certain aspects of the things I've spoken about. It was in direct response to one poster who has since left. However, on a public forum people will pile on. In my haste to respond I've not been clear, obviously.

I'll leave it there. Some people might find it light and amusing and something to joke about but the day I "embrace" the people I was discussing will be a cold day in hell.

Sorry to @Livingonachair as you clearly believed I was calling you seedy. Couldn't be further from the truth.

Bit tacky imo

If you truly object to perverts co-opting Pride, argue against that.

Do you not object to it then?

Oh dear @LemonadeAndDaisyChains was doing the high school bully routine as I typed.

Leave it @JoeExoticsEyebrowRing you'll get nowhere. It's not suitable for children.

I'm not being pedantic.

I find it disturbing that so many women (the majority of them straight) on MN set themselves up as saviours of the poor little lesbians who are so horribly endangered by things like ... Pride.

@JoeExoticsEyebrowRing - see my comments above.

Some people might find it light and amusing and something to joke about but the day I "embrace

Nobody is laughing and joking at perverts co opting and "hiding" at Pride though, it's your insistence in linking the two which is what people are WTFing at.

Perverts anywhere are sick and not a laughing matter but you don't seem to see that your conflation of them with all drag queens and gay people at Pride is pretty ugh too.

Oh dear @LemonadeAndDaisyChains was doing the high school bully routine as I typed.

You mean I disagreed with you?
I'm sorry, but I cannot abide prejudice which is why I'm commenting.

Exactly, @lemonade.

There are, sadly, perverts who infiltrate all walks of life. That's because perverts are nasty, nasty people.

Most sexual abuse is carried out by family members; most rape, by heterosexual women's intimate partners. Should we therefore outlaw heterosexual families?

Or should we condemn rape and abuse?

Pretty easy answer.

Oh, and someone asked how Drag would ever relate to a child's education.

Black History Month and how Black Gay ex Slaves used to dress in drag to try and stop being persecuted as much as they still were. A group of men were arrested and charged with similar offences to brothels at the time. The men weren't congregating for sex, they just wanted to hang out as a group. IIRC, when they were arrested they were in a private building, just like they would always meet.

There's a lot more behind it, and it's really interesting. Well, at least I thought so.

Dance/performance and the role Drag played over the last, erm century at least.

Just because there are some bad ones, doesn't mean all are the same. And people obviously don't like getting generalised just because. No-one does another reason why I try and do it, other than in scenario situations. I prefer to go to the source of the issue.

Grouping people together only helps to make stereotypes worse. You see a couple of minutes of some footage, well they are all like that.

I see football hooligans, and I don't think all football supporters are bad. Ban the lot of them and other derogatory stuff. Instead, look at ways to stamp things out.

@crustycrab
Please show me where I referenced something I don't know about.

What strength and feeling that it would be inappropriate.

I posted an example. A hypothetical situation. I am still confused about what I referenced other than well Drag, what is so offensive?

If I said for example - mn is mainly full of miserable people, too stuck up their own arses to think about others. Instead, they prefer to show the world oh look at me, clapping like a mindless sheep, whilst in secret they nasty, vicious spiteful witches. -- If I said that I would be ripped to shreds for the blatantly obvious.

Amazing!

I'm also thinking of hiring a drag queen for my wedding

Those who said they'd be offended and leave well crack on you miserable.....😉

Trying to make up backstories about drag to try and make it woke is utterly ludicrous.

Drag is about performing as a woman which means you get to decorate yourself outrageously and let your inner ‘Bitch’ out , because that’s all women are . .. decorative and ‘bitchy’ .

And for the record I fucking hate it when gay men say shitty things and then pass it off as them being a ‘queen’ because all female related things are negative of course. Gay men are just a misogynistic as straight men and if Frankie Boyle stood up and said all women are nasty cows who stink of fish there would be absolute uproar. But it’s ok for gay men to say it??