Anti Dementors picnic at the Loch.

[TheGreatWave]

Starting a new one.

Put this on the wrong thread eek, so copying here.

I think I have converted a friend today, we all belong to an old mums group. Went out today and thought I would call on them, front door open in the sunshine the dog woofed, my friend appeared at the door, like a rabbit in the headlights. I said just felt like saying hello in person. After a minutes 2 metre chat she pointed to the garden chairs and said take a seat. She moved her chair away but sat down. We soon got chatting, her OH then arrived home he was very welcoming, made me a drink telling me he had washed his hands first. Their DC then appeared as white as a ghost, he is either in his temp job or in the house. After a few minutes the awkwardness had evaporated and they relaxed. When I left an hour later she said I was the first visitor they had received since lock down.

They have clicked and collected shopping since lockdown so not even been out shopping anywhere. I am glad I went I hope they felt it normalised things a bit and they venture out now.

Re 1968 flu and demos in Germany

I mentioned these on other threads and was roundly told off.

I’ve been accused of dementoring the other way around in terms of my fears for the future if this nonsense doesn’t stop

But teaching unions especially

Surely all they’re doing is ensuring the creation of an online curriculum which will be supervised by staffing levels of what, 20% of what’s needed now? They are dong themselves out of a job aren’t they?

I'm waiting to hear the following yesterday 338 people died with or of covid 19, our thoughts and prayers are with them unfortunately 1349 people died of other things but that's not important as only covid deaths matter.
Generally the average daily deaths in UK are 1687 only time will tell how many of those 338 were excess deaths and how many were people who would probably have died at some point this year anyway
On paper this sounds callous but it isn't; as people die all the time that is why it sometimes takes 2 weeks for a funeral in winter as undertakers and cemetries are really busy, every year they are localised pockets of flu, pneumonia deaths in the community and in care homes very rarely are these investigated, no-one investigated the 50,000 excess flu deaths in 2018 winter as it was a really harsh winter it was kind of expected, a cluster of deaths from e. coli will certainly be investigated as that is not expected
People might watch a program called one born every minute but surely you don't need to be a rocket scientist to work out that generally means one dies every minute

People need to think of children more, I don't know any elderly people including my 96 year old Dad that thinks children should be prevented from going to school or young people should be stopped working for his perceived benefit, he is a grown up he can decide for himself how much he mixes or doesn't, he managed to be an ARP in WWII alongside his day job in MOD when he was 21 surely he can decide whether going to Sainsburys, church or a garden centre or seeing his grandchildren is a risk he wants to take or not.

well put.

@TeacupDrama well said!

It's like at the beginning of all this when people would post normal things on AIBU like "AIBU to be annoyed with my boyfriend" and were shot down because "people are dying!". But... arent they always?

Freedom from
Freedom to

I miss freedom to.

"I think I have converted a friend today"

To what? Your cult?
Some friend.

@justasking111

Lol I saw that thread. 'Gleefully gloating' indeed.

And therein lies the problem with Dementors. They really can't understand that it's the competitive misery, scaremongering and doom-laden pronouncements that we have a problem with. Not to mention the piling on to people who dare to have a little common sense perspective, or who use data to feel quietly happy that things are improving.

Dementor Commandment no.1 : Thou shalt not feel happy for any reason.

No. 2 : Happiness shall bring CERTAIN DEATH.

And so forth.

I’m confused

Is Scotland saying you can meet more than person from your household, outdoors, from 28th? Or is there more to it than that?

I will be honest, there are elements of the lockdown life I do enjoy. I do like the slower pace, ie we are not rushing from work to various sporting things to pick the kids up. Instead we are all eating together every night, which is nice. I suffer from social
Anxiety, so staying in doesn't bother me, to an extent.

That said, I also miss the hustle and bustle of manic family life, seeing the kids enjoy their various sports, and the "how was your day" - even if I get little out of the kids. Currently no point in asking!

For me, I want to get back to a more normal life, but will certainly ensure that elements of the quieter pace of life will feature. It's a balance, and for me, I think we didn't have the right balance before, and don't now either but somewhere in the middle would be nice

To what? Your cult? hmm
Some friend.

Eh?

I think Pollyanna summed it up nicely.

“Oh, but Aunt Polly, Aunt Polly, you haven’t left me any time at all just to — to live.”
“To live, child! What do you mean? As if you weren’t living all the time!”
“Oh, of course I’d be BREATHING all the time I was doing those things, Aunt Polly, but I wouldn’t be living. You breathe all the time you’re asleep, but you aren’t living. I mean living —doing the things you want to do: playing outdoors, reading (to myself, of course), climbing hills, talking to Mr. Tom in the garden, and Nancy, and finding out all about the houses and the people and everything everywhere all through the perfectly lovely streets I came through yesterday. That’s what I call living, Aunt Polly. Just breathing isn’t living!”

@TeacupDrama you speak ALL the sense! Thank you 🙏

Teacup “ no-one investigated the 50,000 excess flu deaths in 2018 winter”

I started a thread about that too. Many were cross with me.

I think the tide is turning on my local FB group after many weeks of increasingly weird complaints (cyclists should not leave the town boundaries or they'll be tracking the virus in on their tyres!). There was a post yesterday from someone who works in a hospital complaining about everyone sat out having barbecues in their gardens and enjoying the sunshine yesterday, because if they only knew they would not feel much like having a nice time at all. Quite polite responses but 90% were politely telling her to get a grip.

I'm loving that this thread is winding up the dementors- seen quite a few disparaging remarks about this thread- you know what?- GOOD. If a dementor "approves" of me then I would take that as a personal failure and an indication I was doing something seriously wrong.

Some people just cannot stand that anyone has any hope for the future can they? its really really sad

There were comments from a nurse the other day in this vein. People quietly avoided commenting she was obviously having a very bad time herself.

Oh bloody hell it’s ‘give NHS workers the clap’ night. Usually putting the DC to bed at this time but they went early tonight so I could drink my strawberry and lime cider in peace and just heard applause ringing out.
Seriously how long are people going to keep doing it? Are we going to stop appreciating them when they stop caring for Covid patients, or will it be a thing forever more now?

Car horns here worse tonight for the mandatory crap. It’s become a party and lost all actual meaning.

Re: the 2018 flu outbreak, OH belong to a local club, many elder members who still visit regularly. When a member dies everyone is informed by e mail. OH went to the first half dozen funerals then could not face any more. It was a truly grim few months so many old boys lost.

Yeah, I thought the 'clap for our carers' thing was a once-off, and as such was a nice gesture. I was amazed to see it happen the next week... and the week after... and so on. It's been what? 8 weeks or so at this stage? When will it be decided that our carers no longer deserve our claps?

I’m hoping when people are allowed to live freely, the clapping will stop.

I’m not sure if the following are true but I’ve heard

9pm noise in Spain to show disapproval of how it was handled

Protests going on in France today, but that seems odd for a weekday.

What happened to Saturdays protests in the UK? Have seen nothing anywhere about it.

You have to love the french if they are not happy they let you know with protests. I thought Spain handled things as well as they could under the circumstances. And are still doing so.

The french love a good protest, whatever day it is!