Anti Dementors picnic at the Loch.

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Starting a new one.

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A survey by university of Southampton about the effect of lockdown on preschool children. A link to a survey for school aged children can be found on the same page

What gets me is if they think kids will be terrified now won't they still be terrified after summer?

We share a communal hallway and entrance with the two upstairs flats, where our children’s scooters and top floor flat’s pushchair are parked, and we’re always taking in each other’s post and parcels too. I occasionally wiped the front door handle and light switches with a dettol wipe when lockdown started but soon forgot and haven’t done it for ages. So we’re failing before we’ve even left the building here.

DS’s teacher organised a google meet up thing for his class the other day, which was a lovely idea, but unfortunately he found it so stressful to see her and all his classmates out of context that he ran away from the screen and started biting and hitting himself. Headteacher has sent an email to say the school will do a phased return next month, but that we’ll have to wait for more details while they figure out how to make it work. I’m wondering about doing the same as some posters here and asking if DS can start before the rest of his year group because of his issues; apparently we’re going to get a questionnaire about our children’s experiences of lockdown and how we feel about returning, so hopefully I can find out more then.

My DSis in Dieppe has her kids back in school and she was worried that they would find the super controlled aspect freaky (they call it "le Macronisme" - despite what people think, the government in France are getting just as much flak as old Boris, and Macron got it in the neck for doing these walkabouts and having close contact with a lot of people when lockdown was in full swing). But apparently the kids are for the most part loving it and finding all the rules quite a novelty.

She also said that you realise then how much more authority teachers have to children than parents... she can say, "wash your hands before you do that and it's NO, don't WANT to; but when the teacher tells them, they'll do it without a murmur!

Long time lurker of these threads, thank you for them, they have made me feel sane again!

My childminder announced she is not planning to open until later in the summer because it's 'not safe' and I am gutted. I'm not sure what is going to change in the space of a month but here we are.

I don't go back to work for a while so technically I can cope without her but my toddler would so love to go and the countdown to her reopening and having a few days to myself was the one thing keeping me going.

My partner is a frontline worker and has been doing overtime to make up for my lost income. It has just been me and DS at home, as much as I love spending time with him, I'm bored, a bit lonely and was looking forward to some time to myself....I know I'm a murdering bastard for even thinking of it

Really sorry to hear that driving. Especially after such a hard year. That was my 2018 so I really sympathise.

Nil that's horrendous, I hope they're feeling a bit better now. The effect this is having on our children is totally unacceptable. If adults are struggling I can't imagine how children and teens are coping.

I agree entirely and have done the same. Something has to start changing.

Heroku what I wouldn't give just to sit in a beer garden or walk along the beach. I hate the fact that even when those things are allowed this culture of judgement and curtain twitching means some people will still be against it. I'm seeing this situation as an opportunity for me to develop a thicker skin. Because I'm not letting those people take those simple joys away when they're back.

Still feel sick expecting to get asked not to send DD in to keep numbers down as they know I'm a supportive parent. Well, they think they know that - I'm like steel if I need to be for my kids, and they've not had to see that with me much.

I have listened to Nicola and read the 48 pages of the lockdown release strategy basically you are allowed to take a few tottering baby toddler steps on your own

schools open part time on 11th august, should put paid to the theory that even missing 2 days off school before the last term of term in P5 for a cheap flight has been proved scientifically they say to has a downward impact on attainment at 16, My P6 DD will have missed 60 days (12 weeks) so the chances of her ever passing an exam must be nil
obviously the above premise was balderdash and they knew it, sustained missing school is of course detrimental but not a few days
while I think going into P7 she has plenty of time to catch up before 16, I do not think 15 year olds have plenty of time to catch up before next May/June exams as they would have being starting the new sllyabus after this holiday when exam leave was up ie next Tuesday

but at least she might get to play tennis next week and we can at least met another household in the garden

pink that's heartbreaking

There’s something quite primeval About howling. We dont get chance to do it often enough

I know what you mean. It's very cathartic

Hope your tooth is less painful now. That sounded awful

Wishing chair
I definitely believe that some people are naturally immune.
I’ve written about on here that I never got Asian flu when it swept the country in 1957
I was one of two children of my class of 40 that didn’t succumb
Neither did my parents.
I don’t believe I will get it either.
I’m well jacked up with sunshine, zinc, vit d and lots of other goodies and I refuse to bow down to the scare mongering of we will all get it.
I don’t think we will
Cruise ship was a good example
Also 3000 people crammed into Tenerife airport when we were evacuated in mid March and rammed into a plane of 300 passengers sat cheek but joel as you do
And neither of us got it
Neither did any of my 6 friends who flew back to different airports on different days but in the same conditions on the plane and at the airport.

Save halloween
Yes, it is calming down and so am I a little
As for saving halloween..we will all pile into my daughters (12 of us) or here
Enough is definitely enough

savehalloween thanks, she is feeling better now. Partly because on Monday it was announced that as of Tuesday we are allowed to meet 6 people outdoors. So now she has a plan to see her bestie. Not the same as school going back (they are not at school together), but at least contact with an actual friend.

If I was in Scotland or Wales I would be incadescent at this point.

I also think that part of any public health measure is taking account of behaviour. Giving people small, tiny risk freedoms is actually going to help keep your lockdown in place.

If that announcement hadn't been made, I wasn't going to go along with lockdown any more I was going to find a friend whose parents were happy for them to meet. And it probably would have been indoors, because verboten.

People were are a lot happier now that we can go to garden centres and play tennis or golf, meet each other outside if we social distance (no age restriction). It has released some of the tension. People are happier because they are seeing each other. But they are sticking to the rule, because it seems reasonable. If we had been told we had to wait until the 28th to see anybody, I'm not sure they would have lasted.

It seems entirely plausible than many are naturally immune

Absolutely agree. As yet nobody has explained how, after spending 2 weeks caring for mum and holding her hand for 5 hours the night before she got taken to hospital (the last time we ever saw her), my Dad has not had so much as a sneeze let alone any symptoms of covid. He's 82 so not only should he have got it but he should be dead as well according to the doom brigade, not outside tending to his beloved garden everyday.

Well that's my uni saying "large scale lectures will be online" next year. Quite what that means for my course is no idea as our course is a small setup anyway.

@Jourdain11 Good to hear you're feeling a bit better.

Ds2 (12) is ok in the day, but has real problems getting to sleep at night as he keeps "having sad thoughts". I've suggested Facetiming some friends, I've suggested he see if he can meet up on-to-one outside, but he seems to be in the same state I am- very meh about everything. Just dull acceptance that this is all there is, which is almost more worrying than the sleep issue.

As for me- I'd have had DP round for 'normal' relations before now, if it weren't for ds1 (24), who has turned out to be a blind rule-follower. The massive row we had over the weekend has shown that he won't apply any common-sense to this and so I am stuck- either I stick to my guns and have a hug from DP (but prepare for massive arguments to compensate, from ds1) or give in and feel more and more morose. I said previously that I'd give it to a week on Sunday but honestly, as I said up there ^, I'm just lapsing into a state of dull acceptance.

I'm in Scotland. I'm going to see people outside singly at a distance prior to 28th May. This is beyond a joke now with the approach being used against the actual numbers.

Meant to be going on holiday in England with extended family third week of July. Unless the power crazed stasi have put in roadblocks between Scotland and England ( and suspect this is the secret subtext of this different stance) we're going.

I hope alongside this blended learning bullshit they're going to bring in a universal benefit for parents who've had to give up their jobs.

DominaShantotto I emailed DD2’s class teacher today (she was DD1’s teacher last year so we have quite a ‘close’ teacher/parent relationship so felt like I could trust her to be honest). I basically said I’m happy for them to go back, they want to go back, but from a school’s perspective would they prefer me to keep them home to help with numbers. She said no, not at all. They’ve planned for maximum numbers and are confident that they have the space and staff to accommodate them.
I really am glad the school are being positive about it all and am feeling much better about it.
I really really hope you don’t get the dreaded phone call .

Nothing from school. There was a local region school action group at 12 yesterday. I just want to know the plan. Even if I don't like the plan I would
Appreciate info. My 5 year old son just sobbed on me this morning because he "feels sad all the tome and doesn't know why". It's killing me.

Nursery arent opening. They're a sure start and reliant on funding from the council so won't go against them. I could cry.

I’m sorry Trust. So frustrating for you.

I don’t understand why more people aren’t speaking out about the impact on children, like professionals involved with mental health, safeguarding, development or education. Its rare anyone ever mentions children in all this. Maybe I’m just looking in the wrong places but it feels to me they’ve been failed by people who should be speaking up for them. This little corner of mumsnet is the only place I really feel safe to say what I think. What has happened to our world?

School haven't rung or emailed yet - I'm considering turning my phone off for the week!

I hate hearing all of these children suffering with what is basically depression from the effect of the social isolation - we really need to get some support going for them but I don't know what or if there are any organisations prepared to support them. In an ideal world something like MNHQ would have done but... well.

@Waleshasgonecompletelycrazy I've been feeling this exactly! Either no one gives a shit, or they're scared, either of the virus or the wrath of the dementors if they speak out??