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Anti Dementors, Assemble!

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Mascotte · 11/05/2020 17:46

I think I finished the last thread by accident...

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GroEggAndHam · 11/05/2020 23:30

I think some of them would quite like it.

FWIW I can't imagine the vocal teacher-dementors on MM are accurately representative of all teachers.

justasking111 · 11/05/2020 23:33

Having trouble finding my patronus, this is a possibility our now infamous local goats.

Anti Dementors, Assemble!
PickAChew · 11/05/2020 23:33

I'm a remainer. My thoughts on covid hysteria are roughly in line with my thoughts on EU hysteria.

gnushoes · 11/05/2020 23:36

Pickachew, you beat me to it. Brexit is mad. So are the Coronavirus hysterics. And I saw that as an elderly asthmatic.

justasking111 · 11/05/2020 23:37

I feel your pain @FrangipaniBlue I am actually embarrassed to live in Wales just now. One death in our health board yesterday, when I see what is happening in the cities we should be thinking of them.

TheGreatWave · 11/05/2020 23:41

I can't help but think that some people are just objecting because it is BoJo and the Tories and for no other reason. Come on the guy just thought all he was going to have to do was some Brexit willy waving and boom this happens. I won't disagree that his handling in parts has been truly lacking and he is no communicator, but I do feel that there is an element of disagreeing purely for the sake of it.

GroEggAndHam · 11/05/2020 23:42

What's the general consensus in Wales/Scotland/Ireland? Radio 1 had some yoofs on at midday but they were all very diplomatic.

Willitneverend · 11/05/2020 23:44

@frangipaniblue same in Scotland re: camper van dementors. I think from the level of hysteria it's possible that holidaymakers will store infected saliva in their vehicles and flick it out as they drive through the towns. Maybe this will be their new entertainment when the pubs are shut?

I did, actually, right at the start, get a bit hysterical myself about camper vans ; it was a really awful, claustrophobic feeling and part of me knew I had abandoned logic, and I felt particularly stupid when I realised they belonged to locals. I dont think i could have managed this length of time living with that level of fear.

LilacTree1 · 11/05/2020 23:45

“ I won't disagree that his handling in parts has been truly lacking and he is no communicator, but I do feel that there is an element of disagreeing purely for the sake of it.”

I think a lot of Conservatives are bitterly disappointed. Who would think it would be that party that failed to prioritise the economy?

psychomath · 11/05/2020 23:45

FrangipaniBlue someone on my newsfeed has been posting dire warnings to any 'grockles' who might be thinking of holidaying in Cornwall this summer, after moving there in........ December Hmm

justasking111 · 11/05/2020 23:49

In Wales the general consensus is that we need tourists, most of our incomes revolve around them. Yes they are a pain in the height of the season, parking, shopping, the area is rammed. But then they go again at the end of August and we have the whole of the autumn through until late spring to enjoy the restaurants, shops, beaches, walks, which are cared for by money provided by the tourists.

The dementors cannot see that all these things will be lost if you kick the tourists too hard and too often.

justasking111 · 11/05/2020 23:52

The worst dementors are older, often retire here go on the council, try to run the place within twelve months of their arrival. OH once told a really nasty old man when he was walking the dogs to piss off back to Manchester. The man said how do you know where I am from in a broad accent. Wink

wrongsideofhistorymyarse · 11/05/2020 23:56

I'm exhausted with the whole thing.

psychomath · 12/05/2020 00:01

I'm getting increasingly pissed off with teacher friends on Facebook chuntering about how their safety will be compromised by classrooms. Lucky none of the nurses caring for patients in older hospitals haven't kicked off about an inability to social distance in the wards.....

(and others who've expressed similar opinions)

I'm getting really worried about people saying things like this. Not because I think you're wrong, I agree with you (am a secondary school worker who won't realistically be able to social distance, but not a teacher). I think a lot of teachers underestimate how huge the economic fallout of all this is going to be and think they're safe as public sector workers in already understaffed jobs, not realising that the axe is going to have to fall somewhere and education is a likely target - not only is it in the opposite of our best interests to prolong the economic shutdown, we also NEED public opinion on our side to avoid getting completely shafted in the coming recession. And there's no way we're getting it if the unions want to try and force the government's hand over the June re-opening. I'm absolutely furious with their (the unions') approach to this - it feels like they're playing stupid point-scoring games with people's mental health and livelihoods, not least the children's for whom we're supposed to be in this job.

Most of the teachers I work with agree, but the ones I talk to online don't seem to be capable of thinking further than the next month or two and it's really frustrating. I'm in danger of falling into a Dementor-esque state of rage and despair myself over the future of our profession.

FrangipaniBlue · 12/05/2020 00:01

Don't get me wrong, in the early days I was all for people staying close to home and not flocking to tourist destinations where small hospitals and other services may struggle to cope if there was a mass outbreak.

But we've flattened the curve. Despite being one of the highest rates per 100k headcount Cumbrian hospitals are coping.

and I just don't see the masses descending on us at this point in time!

and pps are right about some people arguing for the sake of it because it's the torrid, one of the most vocal and hysterical people on my feed is a local labour candidate who I went to school with Hmm

Nighttimefreedom · 12/05/2020 00:06

@psychomath I think you've got that absolutely spot on.

LilacTree1 · 12/05/2020 01:31

It’s a lonely business, not being a CovHysteric.

thatgingergirl · 12/05/2020 06:48

Yes psychomath - I'm trying to see and understand the concern being expressed, but am starting to see obstructiveness.

Orangeblossom78 · 12/05/2020 07:05

Before the lockdown my yr 6 DS was in a class of 60 (with class next door) as his teacher was off due to her DH being older and 'shielding'

so that isn't sustainable. They need to plan for such teachers having e.g. student support or something

Orangeblossom78 · 12/05/2020 07:06

I noticed she mentioned in their new teaching page she's been happily doing new hobbies at home though. Maybe she is more suited to online teaching perhaps

IfYouCantSeeMyMirrors · 12/05/2020 07:08

@psychomath - I agree. I very nearly posted this (below) a while ago, but didn't think I'd have time to keep up with the responses....

When the full force of the economic reckoning hits, will school funding be cut further? Will it be argued that a great deal of teaching can actually be carried out adequately online (although of course, if you wish to pay for the personal touch, you can always go private….)?

Teaching has always seemed like a very safe profession for weathering economic downturns – you’ll always need Maths teachers, right? Except, what if Hegarty Maths and similar were actually doing a better job of teaching (at least, for all but the very highest-flying pupils) online? What if a Joe Wicks workout seemed a pretty reasonable PE option each morning, dispensing with the hours and hours of games, and the expenses of multiple PE teachers, playing fields, changing rooms and so on? What if French and Spanish could mostly be taught by online language courses, supplemented with a few actual lessons delivered by a peripatetic teacher? Why not do Science practicals in school, but have the rest of the curriculum delivered online? You’d then only need teaching assistants to provide crowd control, wouldn’t you?

It's already happening, of course. I work for a business that produces online educational resources. The business recently won a contract abroad, in which the physical teaching role (for one very niche area) was entirely replaced by an online programme. Will the current crisis force a faster pace of change?

Teachers trying to get back to work have my full sympathy. (And in addition to my online educational work, I also work within schools and would return there tomorrow, with no concerns). But apologies - this may be a little doom and gloom for a positive thread!

Orangeblossom78 · 12/05/2020 07:13

I read there may be an increase in students taking teaching as a course as they see it as stable.

BogRollBOGOF · 12/05/2020 07:38

There is a huge amount of politicking going around from the usual suspects be it a personal level, unions or the devolved assembly leaders.

There is plenty of room for intelligent critical thinking, but this is like trying to reason with a toddler who has its mind set on one thing with no negotiation space.

Returning to the classrooms is not risk-free and that's not what "safe" is. Teachers have been in the classrooms throughout this, with the children most likely to carry the virus from high risk family. The virus has not spread through the schools and if there were any teachers fallen in the line of duty (to use the war anolgies) I'm sure the unions and media would be all over it as evidence. Broadening education increases the risk, but not to an excessive level based on what we know about transmission through younger children.

I would hope that this experience has shown that children need real teachers and classes as a leveller to support the vulnerable, the struggling, those with SENs, but the government hasn't listened to the profession in 20 years. Long term the unions don't help their cause and gain respect by stamping their feet and wailing. If they are asking targeted questions about staffing levels and shielding, that would be quite different.

Nighttimefreedom · 12/05/2020 07:38

@justasking111 I think you live very near to where I grew up!

Sorry, slight de rail!

trappedsincesundaymorn · 12/05/2020 07:41

Morning all.