Keir Starmer wins

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New leader. Good news, but wish Lisa Nandy could have been deputy.

Absolutely agree Noodle

Non of his petty petulant behaviour of course the government need to be held accountable but more than ever all parties have to work together - that would never happen under Corbyn and others from the left

I imagine Johnson and the Tories are now VERY afraid of the opposition. Whereas before it was like watching a car crash.

It’s so important that we have a decent opposition and hopefully Starmer can provide that. Time will tell.

I imagine Johnson and the Tories are now VERY afraid of the opposition.

I hope so. I have no problem with Starmer saying he will work with them as long as he calls out some of the nonsense we have heard so far - like the "We're not in the EU, we don't need to be part of their procurement" to the dog ate my homework "We didn't get the emails."

The other thing someone needs on their side is the media and we’re already seeing the cracks with Tte Telegraph and MSM attacking the government.

When it was Johnson and his cosy club of mates pre-pandemic they didn’t touch them.

I agree that Keir and the wider party must take the 'critical friend' approach at this time of national and international emergency - holding the government to account while at the same time working with them for the common good and avoiding opposition for opposition's sake. A real concern, as well as the pressing testing issue, is that some in the government might well push to lift restrictions for economic reasons before it is prudent to do so for health. While the government seem to be doing what they can for business, homeowners and workers including the newly unemployed, I have seen little done to help the poor and the vulnerable disabled - they are having to cope with this crisis from the low base of having suffered for years under government cuts to services, austerity and introductions of PIP, Universal Credit and the Bedroom Tax, leaving many highly vulnerable, depending on Food Banks or suicidal. Suddenly there is all this money to fund, for example, 80% of salaries, including for those with significant disposable income, and for businesses with multi-millionaire and billionaire owners, yet the poor and many disabled are left struggling on.

The anti-Semitism, Momentum and misogyny must be dealt with. The extremists and 'wokes' in the party have been significant reasons why many people have turned off and turned away. I have tights older than 'the wokes' but my teen DC, fast approaching voting age, are of the same opinion.

Nick Robinson has done a very interesting interview with Keir, focusing on his background & values. He comes across very, very well. It’s called ‘political thinking’ and is on the BBC sounds app.

Here it is

www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p060m3mz

Thanks, @Weetabix .

All the more interesting for first having been broadcast two years ago.

I was watching a news report after his election. The reporter asked who was the leader that the Conservatives would most fear.

And the answer was Starmer. I feel really optimistic now that he could win power.

Oh yeah, they're obviously afraid of him. Whatever one thinks of Keir, that's a given. They're not going to like having to come up with something other than waaaah Corbyn.

He’s smarter and straighter (ie less bs) than Cons. I bet Cummings would feel lightweight in a room.

Best news for a while in the whole sorry mess of politics for a while.

The same Keir Starmer who has been in politics for all of five minutes and is still wet behind his ears
Hes been an MP for the same amount of time as Boris Johnson! I'm not sure how you can conclude that the former DPP is 'wet behind the ears'

I missed this, in the news. One minute Jeremy Corbyn was shown on his last day? Two days later it was just mentioned ... "opposition leader kier"..... I was like .... this is huge. I appreciate Corona is big atm, but how this kier just slip in, under the radar? Very odd.

how this kier just slip in, under the radar?

There has been an election campaign for months. The main candidates all did webchats on here.

How on earth could you think Starmer had just slipped in under the radar? The leadership election has been fully covered in the news, even if it hasn't taken priority over recent weeks for obvious reasons.

Thetes been an interminable leadership election process that has been going on for 4 months despite it being pretty clear from about 2 months ago that he was going to win Hes hardly slipped in under the radar!

As Boris Johnson was the MP for Henley from 2001-2008, Mayor of London from 2008-2016, and has been MP for Uxbridge & South Ruislip since 2015, I will assume that you have confused the present Prime Minister with a less experienced MP, Noodlenosefraggle.

Given his political chops, Boris certainly can't be confused with Keir Starmer who, prior to becoming MP for Holborn & St Pancras in 2015, headed the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) from 2008-2013, during which time that organisation found insufficient evidence to prosecute Saville on more than one occasion.

As a matter of public record, after Sir Jimmy Saville died, Sir Keir Starmer told the BBC "I think this is a very real issue that has been with us for a very long time. You can go back to the 50s and probably earlier to find examples, but you can find many more recent examples, and it's a very simple proposition: if you're in a position of authority and you have cause to believe that a child has been abused, you really ought to do something about it".

As my earlier post has been deleted for no reason that I can fathom, I must assume that the spirit of Momentum lives on in what will no doubt be presented to the electorate as a shiny new Labour Party.

You seriously think the torys would ever run a man of Asian background? look how they react to sadiq khan

oh I forgot we musnt talk about their raging islamophobia issue. Quick find a quote of JC badmouthing Israel.

I'm a tad miffed because I fail to see how my earlier post could be construed as breaking any of the guidelines that mumsnet has so kindly referred me to, Smile.

In common with Corbynistas, members of Momentum are renowned for closing down any debate that isn't to their liking. Perhaps some of them have transferred allegiance to Starmer and will seek to close down anyone who suggests that he may not be the answer to Labour's prayers.

I'm not the only one who has reservations about Starmer, but only time will show whether he can transform Labour into an electable Party.