Harry stepping down as a senior royal ..PART TWO

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As I finished the last one
Only right I start the new one.
Here you go

I think this is what people object to. From their own website it says, that as well as their charity stuff, “they value the ability to earn a professional income, which in the current structure they are prevented from doing.” But they’re not actually walking away,They still want to do royal engagements (when it suits them)

Nobody else has been allowed to do this. Edward and Sophie eventually had to give up their other work as there was a conflict of interest between making money from that and being full time working royals, which they are now. Zara gets money from sponsorships etc but she has never been a working royal.

They plan to give up money from the Sovereign Grant, but this is only about 5% of their income. Most of the rest of it came from Charles but whether he will still be prepared to pay it now they are planning to make money themselves remains to be seen.

They also want to keep FrogmoreCottage, presumably rent free even though they’ll be in Canada as well, they expect their security paid for as well. While their security has been expected to accompany them on overseas tours and holidays, they’ve never been expected to spend half the year in Canada before.

If they were actually giving up everything and going off to live quietly somewhere off their own millions, that would be fine. But it’s not what they’re doing. What they’re planning to do is CFery and they didn’t even bother to tell the queen before putting it on their Instagram.

Rousette it's pretty easy for them to win. All they had to do was play nice with the RF so they could all put out a joint statement together that clearly said what their role would be in the RF (hence why they would still be paid by Charles) ; how they intended to separate any independent work from the RF (to avoid scandals/impropriety, etc); and what charities they were going to work with.

Instead, they've left the RF and their current charities in the lurch.

Also, no-one would have complained if they'd said - this isn't working for us. We have $36mill between us so we're going to set up a charity and business and be independent. We're no longer taking money from the Queen or Charles.

In fact, there are so many ways this could have been managed where they would have 'won'. They picked one of the very few ways that this wouldn't have been well-received. But, I'm starting to think that was deliberate to fit their narrative of being unsupported, unappreciated and forced to leave.

they expect their security paid for as well

Yes their website originally said they are entitled to continuing funded security although this has now been deleted so I think they've been told it's not that simple. There appears to be some editing as they go happening, which could have been avoided if they'd come to an agreement before their announcement.

Zara gets money from sponsorships etc but she has never been a working royal

Errrrm... yes she is. She has a job as Director of Cheltenham Racecourse. It is a salaried position.

LordoftheWhys I do agree it wasn't handled terribly well, but we have no idea what went on behind the scenes. Maybe they have been trying to talk to Queen about this but been blocked by the ever present courtiers. Maybe the RF aren't appreciative enough of what a toll everything has taken on them. We just don't know do we...

I'd love to know how they plan to earn an independent income. They can't is the answer. Whatever jobs they get will be on the basis that they are Meghan and Harry and therefore traded on the name of the RF. That isn't independent.

This has all of the potential of being as ugly as Fergie's attempts to earn money. They can't earn the amounts that they need to maintain their lifestyle by doing ordinary jobs can they? What do they hope - that some of their rich friends will help them out - loan them planes (Elton John ) or loan them houses? That will come at a price though and they will be expected to give their pound of flesh.

If this is an attempt by Harry to.protect Meghan from what happened to Diana then I feel he's misguided. Outside of the protection of the RF and protection officers their every move will be hounded, just as happened to Diana when she left the RF.

They will be seen as fair game without BP dealing with the press and trying to protect their privacy.

If she didn't want this life then she should have thought about it before marrying into it and taking the benefits of it.

Surely Harry knew it wasn't going to be as simple as the website statement suggests? He must have known there is a protocol to these things?

“Working royal” means somebody who works on behalf of the queen and is funded by the Sovereign Grant. Not a royal who works elsewhere.

Whatever jobs they get will be on the basis that they are Meghan and Harry and therefore traded on the name of the RF.

Whatever they do, they will always be Meghan and Harry and will have or will have had connections with the RF. They can't do much about that, not their fault.
Unless of course, they change their names, get facial surgery, dye their hair and start a new life in Bolivia.

If he is to be no longer classed as a senior royal - surely that means he gives up his place in the line of succession? Although he is quite far away from it now!

@Roussette that’s not what is meant by “working royal”

If he is to be no longer classed as a senior royal - surely that means he gives up his place in the line of succession? Although he is quite far away from it now!

I don’t think so. Lots of non working royals are in the line of succession. Beatrice, Eugene, Zara, Peter Philips..

Whatever they do, they will always be Meghan and Harry and will have or will have had connections with the RF.

Which was my point - they can't ever be independent because they will always be trading on their links with the RF. For them to pretend otherwise insults our intelligence.

I'm quite sure that a compromise could have been agreed allowing them the freedom to do charity works and some royal duties for example rather than this tantrum throwing.

Good point Cookit Of course Beatrice etc; are still in line so Harry will maintain his position too.

But you haven't answered what they're supposed to do. He is a Royal, there is no getting away with that. If he were to cut all ties, it's still a fact he is the Queen's grandson.

Anywhere he goes, anything he does, that is a fact.

There is a difference between 'cashing in' or 'trading on their links with the RF' and.. trying to make this work in some way or other. My intelligence isn't the slightest bit insulted!

I had no idea 'working royals' meant working for the RF as opposed to having a job! That's a new one on me...

But you haven't answered what they're supposed to do.

Accept what they've signed up for and work out a compromise within the constraints of royal life.

There is a lot of privilege that they receive but that comes with a price. I would like my employer to pay me my wages without me having to go into work - sadly they won't do that. H and M have to accept what the rest of us have to accept. If they want to live independently then that's what they should do ie get jobs on merit rather than their name and not expect to get favours based on the fact that he is the son of the heir to the throne.

Look at Edward and Wallis Simpson. They just swanned about on rih friends' yachts in Europe.

They cut themselves off from the RF (or the RF cut them off) but they were known as Royalty till they both popped off.

Isn't it better that H&M try and do some good in the world which is what they want to do. There's the Invictus Games for instance, so highly thought of and all Harry's idea. They have big plans I'm sure to use their contacts to make a difference, why should they be criticised for that? They'll always be known and famous, let them put it to good use.

Or would we rather they just swan around playboy resorts like Edward and Simpson.. doing fuck all and being a complete embarrassment.

If they want to live independently then that's what they should do ie get jobs on merit rather than their name and not expect to get favours based on the fact that he is the son of the heir to the throne

And how do you propose they do that ? They can't suddenly become Hezza and Megs from Croydon can they?

They can't suddenly become Hezza and Megs from Croydon can they?

No they can't. So their plan is a ridiculous one and one that can't happen. How do they propose to earn money?

And they could continue to do good deeds from within the RF. Why can't they support charities, run the Invictus games etc from the UK and whilst working for the RF? Hardly been onerous their schedule up.until now has it? I wouldn't have minded a 6 week holiday over Christmas.

Quite sure they'll expect royal privilege of one of them gets I'll. Can't imagine them waiting 4 weeks for a GP appointment or sitting for 12 hours in a and E on a Saturday night when Archie's I'll can you, in their desire to live independently?

I just remember thinking €65,000 for an engagement dress
But perhaps it was loaned ?

Of course they'll always be recognised and given opportunities because of who they are. That's life. It's impossible to change and I don't think that's a good enough reason to keep them tied to a life within the RF that they obviously don't want.

Saying that, I don't think they should be allowed to use the name Sussex Royal because it so clearly links their money-making initiatives to their position in the RF and to their titles. Whilst I accept a PP's point that H&M is already taken I think they should have set up a not-for-profit with a Latin name (to tie in with Invictus) eg Humanitas.

Of course, it's all going to end in public embarrassment because it always does. I doubt any of M's US staff have the same approach to ethical business partnerships as the RF. (although that's pretty difficult to type in the aftermath of Andrew's relationship with Epstein). So, I am predicting with my magic MN crystal ball that there will be links with dodgy directors; partnerships with ethically dubious multi-nationals (Apple; Google; Facebook); photos with Russian oligarchs accused of having close links to Putin, etc, etc. That's not even touching on the accountability and abuse issues that the Clinton Foundation and other charitable foundations have been embroiled in. It's a question of when the first scandal will hit not if

I'm quite sure that a compromise could have been agreed allowing them the freedom to do charity works and some royal duties for example rather than this tantrum throwing

Isn't that exactly what they're proposing?

Sorry if that has already been linked but it has posted on the other thread and is worth a read I think.

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Then they should have done that first without throwing their toys out of the park. Do the job you are paid to do or leave & give everything back. Pay back cost of your house renovations & wedding costs for a start.

He’s a fool. Doubt she’d have looked twice at him if he hadn’t been a prince. Said it before & I’ll say it again- Red flags to me, red flags.

What they are supposed to do is discuss it like adults and work out the details before just refusing to stay in the UK.

Not just expect funding to continue until they think they've reached an income they can live on. There needs to be a definite end date for any funding for them and their titles IMO although Harry will always be a Prince and not this woolly arrangement where it is all based on foot-stamping 'I want'.

And when it is all sorted, I hope the press drops them like a stone. They have come across so badly there really is no way back now.