Harry stepping down as a senior royal ..PART TWO

[Dowser]

As I finished the last one
Only right I start the new one.
Here you go

You only have to look at the current Holly Willoughby thread to see that a lot of celebs get criticism irrespective of race, nationality or marital status.

Yes, there have been racist comments, but that doesn’t mean all criticism of them can be dismissed as racist. The video of Harry telling the Disney exec his wife does voice overs was so cringeworthy and embarrassing. What on earth was he thinking?

Just posted on another thread, Harry's friend and mouthpiece Tom Bradby is saying that if they don't get the deal they want in negotiations they may do a damaging tell-all interview about the RF, basically blackmail. So grim.

So if they're buggering orf to Canada, are they literally abandoning Frogmore House?

Alright for some, innit, to just flounce away from a newly refurbished family home just on a whim.

Out of touch, the lot of 'em!

proceeds going to an elephant charity.
It’s such a grey area

Boom, boom!

(Which incidentally is the sound two elephants make when they fall off a cliff)

I wasn’t aware that Harry was Megan’s third husband.
Not that it should make a difference but I thought she’d only been married once before.

The video of Harry telling the Disney exec his wife does voice overs was so cringeworthy and embarrassing. What on earth was he thinking?

"YOU say it Harry, he won't say no to you and will be too obvious coming from me!"

Omg that video is awful.
Like pressure from Harry - obviously it worked but that's appalling.

She has only been married once before hasn't she?

That video of Harry and the Disney exec actually made me cringe. He seems so desperate and the Disney guy looks shocked! So awkward and inappropriate.

I think Meghan especially has thought she’s got a 10 year window ( whilst she’s still young; beautiful and relevant) to make their billions
I think they have less than 10 years as the 'Sussexes'. They don't have particular skills at a level to maintain global fame ... unless they stagger 'revealing' interviews about the RF but tbh that will get stale quickly. The current plan has to be less than 5 years. Then they'll move on to something else or M will and H will return to the RF fold.
He'll be the new Andrew having associated with lots of dubious types on his quest for a bigger pay cheque. He isn't as stable as Andrew and much less thick-skinned. I hope he has kept some trusted friends close because he seems to be rapidly burning bridges.

Why shouldn't they use Frogmore when in England ? They will need somewhere to stay and presumably Frogmore is pretty secure ,maybe more so than a random property .

And just for clarification

The Crown Estate (the Monarch’s property portfolio) makes a profit each year, which adds to the total pot of money the government has to spend. The government gives some of that pot in a grant to the Queen each year, with the grant amount usually a fixed percentage of the profit the Estate has made. Part of that grant is what paid for these renovations.

Taxpayers (and equivalently the government) are not directly worse off financially because these renovations are happening, and would be no better off if no renovations had been made.

fullfact.org/economy/frogmore-cottage/

Apparently it was to a guy called joe guliano and was annulled after a week.

It's the institution of the Monarchy that should be criticised not Meghan or Harry's desire to move away from it . Though Hadley Freeman thinks it's the press .

It’s quite something to see the same people who believe so deeply in the divine right of the monarch and all her descendants then express outrage at the thought of Harry and Meghan capitalising on their name in the US. Because it is absolutely fine to monetise your apparent God-given divinity, as long as it is done in a Mail-approved context? Because royalty is a totally sensible setup – but celebrity? Outrageous. If you think it is unfair that a pair of Windsors will enjoy the fruits of outrageous wealth simply because of who they are, well, allow me to introduce you to the royal family.
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/09/no-wonder-harry-and-meghan-are-quitting-the-rightwing-press-and-their-families-left-them-no-choice

Alexandra Shulman summed it up perfectly.

What is baffling to me is why they are choosing to swap the unique and deeply rooted status they currently enjoy for the capricious and transient position of celebrities on the open market. The greatest aspiration of many of the world’s best-known and wealthiest stars is precisely for the life Harry and Meghan already have – the palaces, the jewels and gowns, the holidays, the staff, the deference and, crucially, the unassailability of their position in the pecking order of fame. What wouldn’t David and Victoria Beckham give to be a royal duke and duchess?

Dowser yy I thought Shulman's article was great. Although I think she misses that H&M are seeking incredible personal wealth atm and are trading it for deference and stability. It seems they'd rather have the 'opportunity' of billions than guaranteed millions.

Celebrities don't have to try and make an appointment via third parties to speak to their grandmother so that they can get approval for decisions that affect their children .

Celebrities do need to make appointments with their agents/lawyers/PRs/directors to say they're walking off mid-contract. The meeting with the Queen was about their 'job' not their family.
If you look at it purely in family relationships Harry has behaved appallingly to his grandparents.

The RF is there by public consent. If they are seen to be 'selling' themselves then public support will diminish and, if they can 'earn', the public will refuse to fund them any further. So the Markles should choose. A life of scrounging around being pointlessly royal like Prince Andrew or a private and unsubsidized life of bling selling their, no longer royal, product. The two are not compatible.

I am gobsmacked at Harry's behaviour.
Sooo grabby.
As my Mum would say "I hope it kerps fine for them" in other words they may have made plans and think they have it all worked out but plans often go awry.

Celebrities don't have to try and make an appointment via third parties to speak to their grandmother so that they can get approval for decisions that affect their children

Thé courtiers job is to primarily protect the Queen. Harry wasn’t allowed to see the Queen so that he didn’t bulldoze her into agreeing and use that as a negotiating tactic against Prince Charles.
Guaedian article
It has emerged that Harry had been in the very early stages of talks with Prince Charles, and had asked for a meeting with the Queen. Harry sought a meeting with the monarch as soon as the couple and their son, Archie, returned from their six-week break in Canada. However, the Queen thought such a meeting should only take place once he had discussed the plans in more detail with Charles.

The couple were urged not to go public about the plans, it is understood.

Harry had originally contacted his father about spending more time in Canada and America just before Christmas, but was told he needed to come up with a thought-out plan, according to royal editor Robert Jobson of the Evening Standard.

He then sent a draft proposal to Charles early in the New Year, but was informed more time was required to think through the complexities of various issues, including funding.

H&M are seeking incredible personal wealth atm and are trading it for deference and stability. It seems they'd rather have the 'opportunity' of billions than guaranteed millions.

Well they don't have deference and stability do they ? Or am I missreading all the criticism of H&M and Prince Charles's intention to slim down the monarchy , currently in the press ?

And the incredible personal wealth/opportunity of billions are direct quotes from the couple are they ?

Let me think ,how did the RF end up with all their estates and money ?
Mmm was it business deals or ,oh now I remember it was war and murder and draconian laws against people .

Mmm estates ...Duchy of Cornwall 135,000 acres or 550 km,The duchy generated income of £21.7m in 2017–18.
Duchy of Lancaster -18,433 ha (45,550 acres) in 2018, the estate was valued at about £534 million.The net income amounts to about £20 million per year.

Oh ,and guess what ,if someone dies without a will or identifiable heirs, their assets ( and also those of any dissolved companies whose registered office was in the Duchies ) go to the Duchy !

Call me odd but I think that set up is more worthy of criticism , not the horrifying notion that I might want to gain some freedom and make money through icky business deals

The RF is there by public consent I must have missed the request for my consent .

peridito I'm not sure what you think you're arguing. They do have stability. We haven't overthrown the monarchy yet and they do have deference - from their staff, from their charities, from everyone they see in public who is told how to address them, whether to bow, from the many people at the top of their fields (from scientists to writers to politicians) who pretend they're interested in the thoughts of the royals about their fields despite the RF's lack of specialism, etc, etc.
They don't need to read the press or watch the media about themselves. They have staff for that.

I just find it incredible that Meghan, having chosen to marry into the RF and knowing exactly what that entails, has now, not 3 years in, thrown a hissy fit and demanded that everything is changed to accommodate her.

Would I like to live like them? No I wouldn't and so I wouldn't choose to marry into it. She wasn't forced to marry him was she? She made that choice and that comes with strings attached.

Awful mess