Harry stepping down as a senior royal ..PART TWO

[Dowser]

As I finished the last one
Only right I start the new one.
Here you go

I don’t think Meghan is ever coming back to the UK.
I think it was all planned; the «leak» by a friend to the Sun, to »rush out thé announcement.
It was all planned to be done and dusted in days.
They made it look like they were back from their extended break; but actually they left in November; taking their dogs with them and leaving their child in Canada whilst they popped back to the UK (in Meghan’s case for literally 3 days).
Apparently the Queen had to call Harry in November as She didn’t know whether Harry was coming for Christmas.

Even during the Africa tour; the move to Canada was probably being organised. Hence the suing of the press at the end of what was perceived as a successful tour.

If Meghan is not pregnant yet; I’m sure she will be this year. (39 in the summer) Think of thé Baby merchandise they could sell!

Apparently Meghan has already done a voice over for Disney. Fee is apparently going to an elephant charity.

This for me; is where it gets grey. They can earn a feee for a charity; but how specifically will they raise money to fund themselves?

People also talk about the Clinton / Obama / Gates foundations.
These are people ho spent decades working at the pinnacle of their professions, and they earned their global reach.
Meghan have married into / been born into the fame.
They cannot claim any personal credit for the global name recognition. It’s the work of generations of Royals funded by the tax payer.
For them to try and profit because they got lucky is hypocritical and brazen.

H and M who just want to create a life for Archie where he can grow up, happy, not under the spotlight, mentally healthy

I'm not convinced that growing up far from all your extended family - grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins - will lead to a mentally healthy child. Megan is alienated from her own family and now Harry is going the same way. Is that going to give Archie a great, normal life ?

Megan received horrible horrible treatment by the press, and besides her husband, not one RF member stood up for her. Not one.

She and Harry both also made clear what impact that was having on their mental health, and she also made clear in the interview that she was hurt that people weren't asking her how she was coping. And very rightly so.

I suspect this split has also got something to do with William's alleged affair as well.

I can't believe the Queen would be so selfish to not let them prioritise her health. And what world are we living in where the grandma controls your life? It is pathetic.

Apparently the Queen had to call Harry in November as She didn’t know whether Harry was coming for Christmas.

Did she tell you that?!

I thought (but could be wrong) they were currently housed and funded by proceeds from the queen and the duchy of Cornwall which was why I thought they might have discussed with the RF first (unlike "normal" people who I wouldnt expect to consult their grandmother on house moves/life changes)

Think of the Queen as the boss rather than a grandparent. Minor royals don't receive money from the royal list (as Meghan and Harry do/did) so are able to undertake commercial ventures. Not everyone has access to the boss at a moment's notice particularly over an issue that needs resolving elsewhere first.

It is looking more and more like Harry tried to present the RF with a fait accompli - baby and dogs apparently left in Canada, Meghan has already gone back and who knows where Harry is now. Flights make a mockery of their environmental prize, wonder what the criteria for that is?

I have no problem at all with them not being senior Royals, but that means no Frogmore Cottage, no protection officers (incredibly selfish to expect a team from the UK to spend months away from their own families abroad unlike a short royal visit and there are rumours that Canada doesn't want the expense either) and no handouts from the public purse. I don't think they will take the Dukedom off them but really, I think they should.

It's the manipulation and cherry-picking that has gone down badly. We've all had a holiday where we thought we could live there, not many of us have gone home and tried to do it, though! I don't know why they thought it would go down well, they do seem to have a real victim or bunker mentality.

Prince Charles actually holds all the cards here, as he is the one that funds them. That's most likely to be the reason the Queen told Harry to speak to him first. Without Charles providing the money, Harry is pretty sunk really!

They don't want to be out of the spotlight though. They want to be a massive global brand, just on their terms and with the ability to cash in. It's hardly the romantic tale of fleeing from the public eye for love that some are painting it as.

I fully expect that life in Canada will not pan out as Meghan has planned, that she will be disappointed and dump Harry.
Within 2 years.

I don't believe she ever loved Harry, she just wanted to be a princess. Although seemingly more the disney kind of princess.

It's all very well saying that they should be allowed to do what they want to do, like any NORMAL people would do, but the fact is that they are NOT normal people. They are members of our RF and as such should do their duty without whining.

I'm still really intrigued as to how the security works. Did they leave a police protection officer in Canada with Archie? Did they have to follow Meghan back there at short notice? I thought their calendar and routine had to be planned in advance due to their security needs, what happens when they go off script?

..and the stardust will wear off pretty quickly anyway. They're both practically middle-aged in career terms.

Andrew isn't a paedophile. If he slept with Virginia, she was 17.

What about the others who have been mentioned?

It's hardly 'cashing in' is it. They aren't the Yorks. That is cashing in. Look at Fergie, on Oprah, Weight Watchers, bringing out books, banging on about her time in the Royal Family all for money.

I think they want to make a difference in the world and they are too constrained over here and nothing but nothing they say or do will be right with some of the public. Just look at the threads on here about Meghan. In all my years on MN (about 16 or more can't remember) I have never seen so many threads vilifying another woman. I just don't get it, Meghan is all for empowering women and yet here... on a primarily female forum, she gets hung drawn and quartered. She can't even eat an avocado without the Daily Fail writing a whole page about that.

To live with that criticisim day in day out... I'd be buggering off somewhere with my little son too.

The baby never came back to the UK he stayed in Canada, Meghan has also gone back to Canada were I hope she now stays!! I hope they both live happily ever after in there new life.

But if they are still together in 10 years I will be amazed.

They don’t want to be royal well let them get on with it!!

I wonder how they would react if all the press just ignored them!! They should be happy if that happened and I really believe Harry would be, but I’m not so sure about Meghan!!

It's hardly 'cashing in' is it.

You don't think they intend to make money off the Sussex Royal brand they are creating? It's pretty clear that's their aim.

Re the photos on HM’s desk, The one of William was of a direct to the throne. Harry is surely no more than one of her other grandchildren. None of the others (I can’t be bothered to think how many) were pictured either. Should they be offended as well?

Anyone have a link to the previous thread pretty please?

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/3790218-harry-stepping-down-as-a-royal-family-member

Wendy..PA a hebephile?
Off to google

You don't think they intend to make money off the Sussex Royal brand they are creating? It's pretty clear that's their aim

I think they want to be philanthropic with the money they make

They can't win can they? In their statement they are aiming to become 'financially independent' because they know that's what people will expect and want. Yet in trying to do so, they are 'cashing in'.

What should they do then?

I think if they want to go it alone they should do so and sever finances with the RF completely, not use their titles to make cash nor expect tax payers to fund their security bills. This half in half out approach where they will apparently 'collaborate' with the Queen and keep royal perks is a piss take.

I don't think she's pregnant. She doesn't need a spare. I think she may have PND and hence she's retreating to her life pre-marriage and pre-motherhood.
I can't decide if I'm impressed or appalled at her ability to ruthlessly move on from situations that aren't working for her.

I can't decide if I'm impressed or appalled at her ability to ruthlessly move on from situations that aren't working for her

Impressed, definitely.

She is very impressive. A few years ago she was begging journalists for a few column inches in the Sunday People and now she's in talks with Givenchy, getting freebie holidays from Russian oligarchs and pals with Oprah. She's played a blinder.

Thank you GlitchStitch!

I feel huge changes will come with the Queen's passing. Maybe she is keen to quickly broker agreements with Harry for an 'acceptable' stepping down by him and Meghan, while she is still able. She'll want to leave her duties with things neatly tied up, as her life from age 25 has been one of protecting The Firm.

Not a great fan of royalty, but I'd be happy to see a scaled down version with focus on the direct line of succession - but this will put a strain on William and Catherine. Charles is in his 70s, after all.