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Is my child racist?! I don’t know what to do!

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Namechangefour · 17/12/2019 19:59

Before I begin, I should say: I’m mixed race though look very white.

I was telling my my 5-year-old that I am going to look for someone to look after him after-school one day a week from next term. And he said, “Fine but please can you not choose anyone black?” I drilled this down and down and down and he meant what he said. Not someone black.

I said “Why?”

And he said “I don’t know.”

I said, “You know grandma was black?” (He never met her, she died before he was born).

And he said, “I know, but I don’t want you to choose anyone black.”

I said, “You know mummy is half black?”

And he said, “I know, but please don’t choose anyone black.”

I had absolutely no idea what to say. I remember reading once that you shouldn’t shame children for saying things like that, and we were in a cafe at the time, so all I said was, “You know what you said isn’t good, right?”

And he said, “I don’t know all the things yet!”

I didn’t want to get into it (mostly because I didn’t want to get it wrong) so I said we’d talk about it later.

But I am still totally unable to think what to say. I’m heartbroken. Completely and utterly heartbroken.

Can someone give me some advice? I don’t know what to do! And I don’t know why he’s saying things like that! We live somewhere pretty multicultural in london, though his school is quite cringe-worthily white and middle class.

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JassyRadlett · 21/12/2019 13:34

At last. Sorry Jassy, you see, she hadn't answered my question. She is doing so now. See that? Yes, thanks for stepping in with your false claim.

Your reading comprehension really is quite poor, isn’t it? It must be such a burden.

No answer to my question then? Oh well. Facts are hard, I get that. It toon me three whole minutes to confirm that Bertrand’s point on PP aligned with facts on the social profile of school/catchment.

JassyRadlett · 21/12/2019 13:34

*took, clearly.

ReanimatedSGB · 21/12/2019 13:38

Jassy and Bertrand, remember that sealions have excellent reading comprehension. Their aim is to waste your time and annoy you.

Devereux1 · 21/12/2019 13:41

All you have written are factors that possibly make it easier. They're not required. They are not race or income based, except in the latter case for the provision of tutoring, and space provision.

You mock striving through with your ploughboy dismissal, but you do so missing the point.

I don't think anybody is saying everyone is equal, but it is wrong to say the opportunity provided by a school is racist or discriminatory based because of outcome profiles, without examining the actions of those whose choices and actions contribute to their eligibility in the first place.

Hence my Porsche profile. I can't afford a Porsche because I have not set up my life in such a way that, given my non-heiress status, I would have had to to earn the money to buy the Porsche. That's all on me. It's not because I am mixed race. It's not because I came from a poor family. Yes, Tamara and Petra have it easier, they were given the money on a plate. No, this is not the Porsche dealer's fault. It's not up to the Porsche dealer to sort out the inequality which means the Ecclestones have billions, and I don't. If I want a Porsche, I need to earn it. If I don't, that's on me, I would have failed in that endeavour.

It's not up to a school to sort out the similar failings or inabilities in families to achieve their endeavour of getting their child into a particular school. It's every families responsibility to step up within the outcomes of their own responsibilities, the impetus is on those applying, not those offering a service.

Devereux1 · 21/12/2019 13:42

It toon me three whole minutes to confirm that Bertrand’s point on PP aligned with facts on the social profile of school/catchment.

What on earth are you going on about now?!

JassyRadlett · 21/12/2019 13:42

True that, Reanimated.

But they are pretty entertaining to watch while they put on their show....

Meanwhile, someone real might stumble across fact-based arguments and think.

But you’re right, this thread probably needs putting to bed now!

Devereux1 · 21/12/2019 13:44

But you’re right, this thread probably needs putting to bed now!

Yes JassyRadlett, with your ramblings, false interjections, all over the place posting, I think your mind is certainly not on peak performance. Time for bed for you. Night night.

JassyRadlett · 21/12/2019 13:45

What on earth are you going on about now?!

Research. It’s how people find things out, and check if others are talking bollocks or whether their arguments are based on sound evidence.

JassyRadlett · 21/12/2019 13:46

Yes JassyRadlett, with your ramblings, false interjections, all over the place posting, I think your mind is certainly not on peak performance. Time for bed for you. Night night.

Still no answers on the points about mosques you raised? It’s almost as if there’s no factual basis for them.

BertrandRussell · 21/12/2019 13:54

“ I don't think anybody is saying everyone is equal, but it is wrong to say the opportunity provided by a school is racist or discriminatory based because of outcome profiles, ”

I’m not I’m saying it is discriminatory and potentially racist based on its admissions criteria.

Devereux1 · 21/12/2019 14:13

When you described BAME as "disadvantaged" what are they disadvantaged at then?

Has the disadvantage come from the school's criteria, which you are arguing against, or themselves?

Devereux1 · 21/12/2019 14:19

I misread your post Bertrand. Wow, you are saying it's discriminatory and potentially racist.

Where in the criteria is the racism/potential racism?

BertrandRussell · 21/12/2019 14:36

BAME people in this country are more likely to be disadvantaged than white people. Hence selective education is definitely discriminatory and potentially racist.

ReanimatedSGB · 21/12/2019 19:49

@JassyRadlett ^True that, Reanimated.

But they are pretty entertaining to watch while they put on their show....

Meanwhile, someone real might stumble across fact-based arguments and think.^

This is true. But only put in the amount of time you can be arsed to put in, because nothing will get an acknowledgement or apology from a sealion.

Devereux1 · 22/12/2019 09:43

BAME people in this country are more likely to be disadvantaged than white people. Hence selective education is definitely discriminatory and potentially racist.

The illogical nature of these two sentences is incredible. I find it hard to believe that you could actually write what you have above.

Is the Porsche dealer racist and discriminatory, because I, as a mixed race person from a poor background, cannot afford a Porsche?

BertrandRussell · 22/12/2019 10:24

Education is compulsory and is provided from taxation.

Porches aren’t.

BertrandRussell · 22/12/2019 10:25

I would be happy to explain my post further. But frankly I don’t see how I can.

BertrandRussell · 22/12/2019 10:35

*Porsches. But porches aren’t either.

Devereux1 · 22/12/2019 10:57

Education is compulsory and is provided from taxation.

I'm not asking about the funding model. I'm asking if the dealership would be racist in your view?

BertrandRussell · 22/12/2019 16:37

“ I'm asking if the dealership would be racist in your view?

No.

Devereux1 · 22/12/2019 16:53

No.

Why not then?

BertrandRussell · 22/12/2019 18:52

Sorry, I was prepared to talk to you in good faith- but this is a step too far.

Devereux1 · 22/12/2019 18:53

Asking you why it's not racist is a step too far? How come? Confused

BertrandRussell · 22/12/2019 19:47

Because if you can’t see the difference between a purely commercial luxury product and a tax payer funded compulsory education system I honestly don’t think there’s any point continuing. I also suspect that you can see the difference and are taking the piss.

Devereux1 · 22/12/2019 20:18

You're going back to the funding model again. I've told you before, I am not asking you about the funding model.

I am asking you about your potentially racist assertion.

To recap, you said the school is potentially racist, but the Porsche dealer isn't. They both provide a product/service which has some eligibility criteria attached to it.

All I've done is ask you why the Porsche deal is not racist in your view, when you think the school is?

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