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Is my child racist?! I don’t know what to do!

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Namechangefour · 17/12/2019 19:59

Before I begin, I should say: I’m mixed race though look very white.

I was telling my my 5-year-old that I am going to look for someone to look after him after-school one day a week from next term. And he said, “Fine but please can you not choose anyone black?” I drilled this down and down and down and he meant what he said. Not someone black.

I said “Why?”

And he said “I don’t know.”

I said, “You know grandma was black?” (He never met her, she died before he was born).

And he said, “I know, but I don’t want you to choose anyone black.”

I said, “You know mummy is half black?”

And he said, “I know, but please don’t choose anyone black.”

I had absolutely no idea what to say. I remember reading once that you shouldn’t shame children for saying things like that, and we were in a cafe at the time, so all I said was, “You know what you said isn’t good, right?”

And he said, “I don’t know all the things yet!”

I didn’t want to get into it (mostly because I didn’t want to get it wrong) so I said we’d talk about it later.

But I am still totally unable to think what to say. I’m heartbroken. Completely and utterly heartbroken.

Can someone give me some advice? I don’t know what to do! And I don’t know why he’s saying things like that! We live somewhere pretty multicultural in london, though his school is quite cringe-worthily white and middle class.

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minminminnie · 17/12/2019 20:36

@prevegen and @pollyputthepastaon

You can't be racist towards white people
You can be prejudiced, and it doesn't excuse it it, but not RACIST.

Racism is a system based on oppression and white people are not, nor have ever been, oppressed.

Namechangefour · 17/12/2019 20:36

I don’t agree with that, to be honest. White people haven’t been oppressed, so it doesn’t work the same way.

And the “cringe-worthy” refers to the practice of the rich buying up around the catchment of good schools, creating middle class hubs, while saying they’re proud to live in a diverse borough. I did it, I’m part of it, but I’m not proud of it.

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Namechangefour · 17/12/2019 20:38

Sorry *minminminnie - cross post! But agree with you!

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1066vegan · 17/12/2019 20:39

Flamingo has a good point. At 5 he probably does mean skin colour but it could be something else.

I remember one time when my dd was a bit younger than that. She was watching something on children's tv and announced that she didn't like "the black person". I was mortified until I realised that she meant the person who was dressed in black.

Queenoftheashes · 17/12/2019 20:39

some of the white people on here are cringeworthy.

Namechangefour · 17/12/2019 20:40

That’s a good idea Solihooley. I think I’ll start hanging more pictures of my mum up around the house and talking about her and race. I realise I haven’t actually spoken to him about it at all.

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doadeer · 17/12/2019 20:40

Try a book like this

https://www.thebookpeople.co.uk/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/qsproductt_tbp?productId=886990&catalogId=10051

Even though he is 5 I think you need to talk to him about race - it's an important topic for everyone but particularly him so he can understand his family history

Oakmaiden · 17/12/2019 20:41

"his school is quite cringe-worthily white and middle class."

Surely OP just means it is not at all diverse, despite being in a city with heaps of diversity?

Namechangefour · 17/12/2019 20:41

flamingo and vegan, you’re right - maybe he didn’t mean black people? Although I think he did after I kept asking him to repeat it (I was baffled at first) and then saying “but grandma was black?”.

I am going to have a proper talk with him in the morning.

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BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 17/12/2019 20:43

My ds refers to kids he plays with in the soft play by the colours of their t-shirts. He will say "mammy I'm playing with the black boy and the green girl".

SmileyClare · 17/12/2019 20:47

I don't think you should read much into his comments. He might have encountered a black person in a shop that didn't look friendly or something or seen a "bad" person on the news that happened to be black. At such a young age he will form ideas based on his very limited life experience and simplistic views of the world.

It's great advice from pps to expose him to positive black role models, even if that is a sportsman or singer or children's presenter on the tele.
His views will change if he is not exposed to racism. All schools now will promote exclusivity and being non prejudicial as part of the PHSE curriculum.

FlamingoQueen · 17/12/2019 20:48

Just another thought - he wouldn’t mean someone in a ‘black mood’, would he? Perhaps another child at school has heard someone say ‘they’re in a black mood’ and took it to mean a ‘black person’. That’s why it makes no difference about your colour or your Mum’s.

Queenoftheashes · 17/12/2019 20:48

@minminminnie talks sense

Ozziewozzie · 17/12/2019 20:49

For goodness sake. I really don’t think that op deserves a tongue lashing, calling her nasty.
It’s a disgrace that people can’t say a sentence nowadays without being accused of being racist.
Op is concerned her son has a subconscious or conscious issue with black people. Op has stated she is mixed race.
We can’t sing baa baa black sheep anymore for heavens sake. I’m scared to say anything nowadays for fear of being accused of being racist, homophobic, etc.
Op is wanting her son to be more balanced and is simply expressing the situation. She’s not racist or nasty. I’m pretty sure that this is obvious. She’s asking for help and advice. She’s obviously not being derogatory about white people.....and yes I am white.....not that it should matter.

TheClausSeason · 17/12/2019 20:49

racism
noun
prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

That's just Oxford, but it seems to me that racism can be applied from any race to any other race.

SmileyClare · 17/12/2019 20:50

Well said Ozzie!

TheClausSeason · 17/12/2019 20:51

We can’t sing baa baa black sheep anymore for heavens sake.

This is a fallacy- baa baa black sheep is still sung in nurseries, playgroups and schools.

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/education/600470.stm

Whyjustwhy23 · 17/12/2019 20:52

I think you need to dig gently over time.

My kids are mixed (I’m white) and for a long time DD1 said she didn’t want to be “olive” she wanted “peach” skin. It was awfully upsetting, we talked a lot, I tried to get her to see celebrities she liked with mixed skin like Ariana.

Roll on 2 months into the angst and she’s looking in the mirror all upset wanting “peach skin”, and then looks at me sadly and says “like Peppa”.

ALL THAT WORK ID DONE and she wasn’t having an existential crisis about her heritage, she wanted to look like Peppa Fucking Pig!

He’s 5, you’re not a racist, it’s so unlikely to be racism!

Allinadaystwerk · 17/12/2019 20:52

I'm mixed race too OP and we'd live in a predominantly white area and my ds used to go to a school with little to no diversity. He struggled there with isolation and being left out . We realise that he needs to mix with, be part of and embrace his own ethnicity. There is so very much to celebrate when cultures are explored. Also spending quality time yourself with black and brown skinned people will help in every way. If all you are is one race it's natural to be suspicious of others who look different especially with the societal racism and prejudice that exists throughout society. If you embrace the positives of blackness so will he

Sizeofalentil · 17/12/2019 20:52

Could he have seen a TV show that featured a strict black character looking after white children? I'm thinking something like The Help or something?

Namechangefour · 17/12/2019 20:53

Thank you ozzie!

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Allinadaystwerk · 17/12/2019 20:53

See is one race not 'are is one race'

BlouseAndSkirt · 17/12/2019 20:53

I am the mother of mixed race children.

Without making him feel wrong, I would ask him questions in an open way.

oooh,
Shall we look for a lady or a man, it doesn't matter as long as they are kind, does it?
what do you think a black person might do?
Shall we look for someone who is good at cooking, or someone who likes singing?
Who says 'don't get a black person?' 'is there a story about that?'

Then address it accordingly. That you would always look for someone kind and happy to look after him, and all sorts of people can be kind and happy....get him to list some.
Then: all sorts of people can sometimes be mean...
But it's not right to say that people are bad or good just because of what they look like because that isn't fair.
And when we say bad things about people because of their colour, it is called racism.
Sometimes bad people do bad things because of racism.
Have you ever heard anyone say anything bad about someone because they are black?

etc.

MitziK · 17/12/2019 20:55

It does sound as though he's internalised the black people = bad that you get from not being in a diverse area. Other five year olds can be very persuasive with the racism they've learned from their parents, too.

I know I was mortified (and I'm using the word correctly) when DD was buying a birthday card for a kid, the shopkeeper made a joke 'Can I come to the party, too?' and DD answered, 'No, because Georgina's Daddy say that nobody brown's allowed in their house'. Georgina's Daddy (and Mummy) were very, very middle class. That shit didn't come from under my roof.