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Is my child racist?! I don’t know what to do!

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Namechangefour · 17/12/2019 19:59

Before I begin, I should say: I’m mixed race though look very white.

I was telling my my 5-year-old that I am going to look for someone to look after him after-school one day a week from next term. And he said, “Fine but please can you not choose anyone black?” I drilled this down and down and down and he meant what he said. Not someone black.

I said “Why?”

And he said “I don’t know.”

I said, “You know grandma was black?” (He never met her, she died before he was born).

And he said, “I know, but I don’t want you to choose anyone black.”

I said, “You know mummy is half black?”

And he said, “I know, but please don’t choose anyone black.”

I had absolutely no idea what to say. I remember reading once that you shouldn’t shame children for saying things like that, and we were in a cafe at the time, so all I said was, “You know what you said isn’t good, right?”

And he said, “I don’t know all the things yet!”

I didn’t want to get into it (mostly because I didn’t want to get it wrong) so I said we’d talk about it later.

But I am still totally unable to think what to say. I’m heartbroken. Completely and utterly heartbroken.

Can someone give me some advice? I don’t know what to do! And I don’t know why he’s saying things like that! We live somewhere pretty multicultural in london, though his school is quite cringe-worthily white and middle class.

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Devereux1 · 20/12/2019 14:07

HuloBeraal

To some extent, I think you and I are in agreement. Smile Taking it right back to basics, one can question why there are religious-based schools at all. I take the view it's a values-based type of education, with the morality and values of the religion having a bearing on the functioning of the school, the accepted behaviour, etc.

But many religoius-based services exist, and many receive some sort of state funding. Mosques, for example. Mosques which do not allow me in based on sex and religious discrimination.

So, given that they do exist, surely it's nuts to know the criteria, and complain that you can't get in because you don't meet the criteria. That's the religious part. To complain you can't afford to get to a school 10-15 miles away because you is even more nuts, hence my car analogy. I can't afford a Porsche. My inability to afford a Porsche doesn't make the Porsche dealer racist or unfair to me.

BertrandRussell · 20/12/2019 14:38

You mean the Latymer that has, IIRC, something like 20% fewer PP children than the national average?

BertrandRussell · 20/12/2019 14:40

Incidentally, it is only oversubscribed faith schools that perform better than schools with a similar catchment.

JassyRadlett · 20/12/2019 14:46

This is getting repetitive.

All selection - academic, faith or house price - disproportionately benefits white middle class children.

I don’t think people like me should be able to buy preferential access to universal state services.

BertrandRussell · 20/12/2019 14:48

“ I don’t think people like me should be able to buy preferential access to universal state services.”

Neither should I. Either with money or with privilege.

AJTracey · 20/12/2019 14:50

Ha ha every thread with race attracts the cretins just gagging to what-about the white people being oppressed, enslaved blah blah. Tedious

HuloBeraal · 20/12/2019 16:01

Attending a mosque is not compulsory. A school is.

JassyRadlett · 20/12/2019 17:00

But many religoius-based services exist, and many receive some sort of state funding. Mosques, for example. Mosques which do not allow me in based on sex and religious discrimination.

A mosque is not a universal service provided by the state and run under state regulation, with obligations conferred on them by the state.

What percentage of their running and capital costs to mosques have paid for by the state? Remind me what these are for faith schools again?

Devereux1 · 21/12/2019 09:29

You mean the Latymer that has, IIRC, something like 20% fewer PP children than the national average?

What is IIRC and PP? Let's say the answer is yes, that Latymer school. Now, could you answer to the question?

JassyRadlett · 21/12/2019 10:40

She just did.

IIRC = if I recall correctly
PP = pupil premium

Selection discriminates. All forms, and not just in the openly intended ways.

Devereux1 · 21/12/2019 10:44

JassyRadlett
She just did.

Where?

My question was: What do you think the parents of Britain, whose children are all eligible to go to the Latymer School, no matter what their income, race, need to do to apply for their children to go to this school?

Where did she answer that question? Confused

JassyRadlett · 21/12/2019 10:47

What do you think the parents of Britain, whose children are all eligible to go to the Latymer School, no matter what their income, race, need to do to apply for their children to go to this school?

And she pointed out to you that Latymer’s intake is vastly out of whack with the wider community as well.

Applicants to Latymer need to come from better-off households to have a reasonable chance of getting in, because academic selection is socially divisive by income.

Devereux1 · 21/12/2019 10:51

And she pointed out to you that Latymer’s intake is vastly out of whack with the wider community as well.

Blah blah, yes I read her post.

I am asking you where she had already answered my question. Not made some random point, answered my question.

You stated she had. Where?

JassyRadlett · 21/12/2019 11:05

When she pointed out Latymer’s PP rates. The implications of that are obvious.

JassyRadlett · 21/12/2019 11:06

Speaking of answering questions - fancy returning the favour?

Devereux1 · 21/12/2019 11:07

When she pointed out Latymer’s PP rates.

Ah, I see. You mean she didn't then. Hmm

Devereux1 · 21/12/2019 11:09

Speaking of answering questions - fancy returning the favour?

Sure! Which oth poster would you like me to randomly pick and butt in and tell you they have answered your question, when they clearly haven't? Grin

Devereux1 · 21/12/2019 11:09

oth other

JassyRadlett · 21/12/2019 11:11

You mean she didn't then.

To be fair to you, I probably would have assumed that I’d need to spell it out explicitly rather than assume people would be able to use reason. Bertrand is quite often kinder than I am.

What do you think the PP rates mean in terms of the question you asked, then? To me it was pretty obvious based on the PP rates and the demographics of Latymer’s Inner Area.

JassyRadlett · 21/12/2019 11:14

Sure! Which oth poster would you like me to randomly pick and butt in and tell you they have answered your question, when they clearly haven't?

Oh and here I thought this was a conversation in a group. Wink

But hey, let’s keep it one to one if you’re more comfy with that. Let’s go with the one I asked you yesterday when you were talking about mosques:

What percentage of their running and capital costs to mosques have paid for by the state? Remind me what these are for faith schools again?

BertrandRussell · 21/12/2019 11:40

Thanks for stepping in, Jassy- I’ll return the favour some time!

Devereaux- it’s a selective school. Parents have to do the usual things they have to do to get their kids into a selective school.

Devereux1 · 21/12/2019 11:46

BertrandRussell

Thanks for stepping in, Jassy-
At last. Sorry Jassy, you see, she hadn't answered my question. She is doing so now. See that? Yes, thanks for stepping in with your false claim.

Parents have to do the usual things they have to do to get their kids into a selective school.
What are these usual things?

BertrandRussell · 21/12/2019 11:50

“The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread." Anatole France

Devereux1 · 21/12/2019 12:16
BertrandRussell · 21/12/2019 12:42

OK. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt. In order for the huge majority of children (before anyone tells me about their father who was a ploughboy who lived in a cellar and walked 10 miles to school every day) to get into a selective school, they need adults in their lives who have the time, knowledge, confidence, will and energy to provide them with the tools they need to be entered for and pass the test. These things include books, coaching (paid or unpaid) support, encouragement, good food, warmth, space, calm, motivation, knowledge and self belief. All these things are an order of magnitude easier to provide if you are better rather than worse off.

Incidentally, it’s interesting that the working class kids who passed admissions tests in the old days often had someone- a vicar, or a teacher for example, who provided those things if their family couldn’t or wouldn’t.