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Tories please tell me the positives

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Mrsemcgregor · 13/12/2019 06:57

I have to admit I’m feeling pretty bleak this morning, but I recognise that I am living in a left wing echo chamber.

I would really appreciate your views on why the result is good and how our country will improve. Please tell me how the NHS and schools and vulnerable people will be protected.

I’m not being goady, I would honestly really appreciate some positivity.

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Mrsemcgregor · 13/12/2019 10:03

Iggly yes, that’s it for me. I would do any job as long as it puts my family in a better financial position. Some jobs are so low paid that people can’t afford childcare to allow them to do that job. This wasn’t such a problem with tax credits topping up childcare but UC has put a bit of a spanner in that. With UC people face 6 weeks of no money and huge childcare bills. They just can’t get themselves started.

Maybe less reliance on immigrant workers will push wages up? I think that’s generally the idea? We will have to wait and see.

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SalrycLuxx · 13/12/2019 10:06

I'm a conservative leaning voter who voted labour as a protest vote (due to my area) because I couldn't bring myself to vote for a blatant liar.

Positives:

  1. There will no longer be gridlock in Parliament. Things will actually happen.
  2. We will leave the EU (and I say this as someone who voted for remain). The deadlock has been toxic for both us and the EU, and needs to top before we utterly destroy our relationships with our closest neighbours. And no, we haven't done that yet - but another 5 years of sniping would have had that result.
  3. The Tories ran their campaign primarily on Brexit. On pure vote numbers the main 'leave ' parties (CON/BXT) took 14,547,823 votes. The main 'remain' parties (LIB/SNP) took 4,904,677. Labour's votes I would split and give half to each. The idea of yet another referendum is dead. This election was essentially it, and it turns out that there just isn't the Remain 'fire' in existence that the Twittersphere might indicate. Everyone else has moved on.
  4. The government will have to actually govern - meaning it will have to stop blaming the EU for every bad choice it makes.
  5. We have an opportunity to reform our immigration system. It is in dire need for reform.
  6. In order to effect 'law and order' changes, the Tories will shortly realise that they actually have to fund the courts and hire judges and staff to man them. They will also need to invest in police, prisons and fix the probation service. In the long run, these things will improve society.
  7. The NHS will be forced to become more efficient. It is currently not, partly due to underfunding, but also because NHS Trusts are often woefully managed. We need to have proper, grown-up discussions as to what exactly the NHS is for, what should be funded, and what people need to be sorting out for themselves. We are not going to end up with the US system - the Tories aren't idiots and know that would reverse their fortunate the instant Labour finishes its internal crisis - but we do need to move to a system such as those in the EU, where those who can afford to, pay more.
  8. The pound will strengthen. This will help business. Brexit and the dancing pound has been sucking the life out of my clients for months. They need stability.

Those are the instant ones I can think of.

eurochick · 13/12/2019 10:07

I'd like to know too. I just don't get it. I've voted Tory at most past elections but there is no way I could this time. This government will be hugely detrimental for this country. And the poorest will suffer most.

"The Tory majority today shows that the country want Brexit."
I disagree. More than 50% of votes cast were for Revoke/second referendum parties.

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audweb · 13/12/2019 10:08

If you’re really wealthy already, you’ll be fine. Otherwise not sure what the positives are.

Pinkyyy · 13/12/2019 10:15

@Iggly that's a good thing. When nobody is here willing to do the job for no money, they will be forced to pay more.

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Mrsemcgregor · 13/12/2019 10:15

SalrycLuxx thank you for taking time to give such a considered reply.

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INeedNewShoes · 13/12/2019 10:17

@SalrycLuxx

Thank you. This is the type of response I hoped the OP's thread might bring up.

I really feel that I personally need to find a way to reach acceptance of where we are and to stop catastrophising.

Iggly · 13/12/2019 10:20

that's a good thing. When nobody is here willing to do the job for no money, they will be forced to pay more

That’s not how it has worked. People will say it’s because of immigration taking very low paid jobs.

However immigration will not stop.

Global business models means that cheap labour can be sourced elsewhere in the world and people in the UK will still only have low paid job options.

What we need is investment in education so that everyone has a decent chance in life.

However we’ve had ten years of cuts. My children have gone through an education system which has been scalped. Luckily I can put money aside for them but what about those who can’t? Those 10 years olds living in poor families have no hope. The damage is done in early years.

Pinkyyy · 13/12/2019 10:21

@Iggly I don't really understand your point. All 10 year olds are entitled to an education.

Witchend · 13/12/2019 10:23

The biggest positive and the reason why they got so many seats is no Jeremy Corbyn.

Tories didn't win. Just Labour lost.

littlebillie · 13/12/2019 10:24

@SalrycLuxx also the strengthen pound benefits everyone

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Mrsemcgregor · 13/12/2019 10:25

INeedNewShoes yes exactly. We can’t change anything about the result. We have to accept and move on and finding positives is a good way to do that.

I like that the tories will not be able to blame labour. Not after 9 years in power and now an overwhelming majority. It’s our job to hold them to account. The global financial crash was in 2007, it’s no longer an excuse and after nearly 10 years of austerity there’s no excuse for things to continue to deteriorate.

Once we are out of the EU the tories really are on their own and have to take full responsibility. Assuming they want to stay in power surely now they will be working to make all of us better off?

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littlebillie · 13/12/2019 10:26

Witchend for most it was never Corbyn it was the policies. As someone said this isn't "I a Celebrity " the shadowy threats of Momentum and McDonnell were enough

Mimx · 13/12/2019 10:29

Not a conservative voter, but one other possible comfort - Boris now has quite a number of MPs who represent working class communities, and he will have to start working out how he keeps those seats once Brexit is underway. Some of that will be populist stuff - especially law and order - but I do think he will have to engage with ideas on what would improve those communities, and is less likely to revert to big tax cuts for the rich. Less London centric thinking will be a positive. The tone of his speeches so far seem to lean in this direction (obviously he’s a self serving liar, but it’s better than him not saying these things right now).

SalrycLuxx · 13/12/2019 10:30

This is true littlebillie. It will make my holiday at Easter more affordable for one!

But the impact of the weak pound on my clients has been awful. It's stalled the economy to a terrible degree. My clients have shelved so many expansion projects over the past year due to all the uncertainty, that I know would have brought jobs and been great for our community.

NailsNeedDoing · 13/12/2019 10:38

Whether people think the jobs are beneath them or they feel they can’t afford to do them is irrelevant. These jobs simply aren’t being filled by British people right now, and they won’t be in the future.

I’m thinking of carers jobs, either people who live in with clients and provide 24 hour support, or work in care homes. This is unskilled work that British people just don’t want to do. There needs to be a shift away from thinking that any unskilled job should provide enough money to have a family and a family sized home. It’s never going to happen. It’s easy to say that when the jobs aren’t filled the employers will be forced to pay more, but with what? If the government doesn’t give more then the agencies can’t just pull more money out of their arses to ensure their clients receive the care they deserve.

ineedaholidaynow · 13/12/2019 10:50

My MIL lives in an area with very high immigration. Many of them come to do the jobs that British people refuse to do. I am assuming Brexit won't change that

NailsNeedDoing · 13/12/2019 10:52

It will if we stop allowing unskilled workers in.

MurrayTheMonk · 13/12/2019 10:57

Upside is that Cronyn will go and then hopefully we will start to see a more effective opposition in place.

MurrayTheMonk · 13/12/2019 10:58

And yes care is fucked. It's already fucked because we can't staff it, Brexit will be the nail in-probably quite literally actually-peoples coffins...

OnlyTheTitOfTheIceberg · 13/12/2019 11:00

Remind me which chancellor removed the bursary for student nurses

It happened in 2016 so a Conservative one.

The important thing is being able to differentiate between those who can't work and those who don't want to.

Fairer benefit system

Are there details available as to how this is going to be achieved? This is a major concern for me, as someone supporting a disabled relative (who worked and paid taxes until disability hit in his mid-50s) through the PIP appeal process after he had his disability benefits more than halved despite medical evidence that his condition has worsened since first being awarded DLA. The current system is not fit for purpose in the way it treats genuinely disabled people and penalises them for their own misfortune, and I'm worried that things will get worse not better. Any positives to be found here would be great.

Iggly · 13/12/2019 11:05

There needs to be a shift away from thinking that any unskilled job should provide enough money to have a family and a family sized home
That’s unacceptable in my view.

People should be able to earn enough to live.

Squidsister · 13/12/2019 11:05

Pinkyyy - Iggly, I don't really understand your point. All 10 year olds are entitled to an education.

It’s the quality of education that is the issue. I work in a school that is clearly underfunded. Teachers are under huge pressure, consequently staff turnover is too high and they struggle to get good replacement teachers, particularly for certain subjects like science. (And many of the best teachers are from other countries!). Many non-teaching posts have been scrapped, e.g. SEN support, pastoral, admin, which has had a really negative impact and put more pressure on teachers. There isn’t enough money for basic equipment.
If you are rich you can pay for private education / move to a good area with better schools / have support at home with a computer and tutoring etc which all give you a better start in life.

I would really really like some positive news about what the Tories are going to do for education... and not these headline figures which I don’t believe at all.

Iggly · 13/12/2019 11:06

The important thing is being able to differentiate between those who can't work and those who don't want to

Why? It’s actually cheaper for taxpayers to pay out benefits without means testing and most people will not and do not cheat the system. It’s cheaper to give people enough money to live in the simplest way possible instead of creating a massive police state designed to pass judgement on lifestyle choices, particularly when that judgement may be wrong.

SouthWestmom · 13/12/2019 11:08

Jesus Christ another thread. Wtf is wrong with people - Tory is a mainstream option, you've not been catapulted into North Korea. Yes how sad no free broadband but just get on with it.