Tories please tell me the positives

[Mrsemcgregor]

I have to admit I’m feeling pretty bleak this morning, but I recognise that I am living in a left wing echo chamber.

I would really appreciate your views on why the result is good and how our country will improve. Please tell me how the NHS and schools and vulnerable people will be protected.

I’m not being goady, I would honestly really appreciate some positivity.

@Unusualsuspicion no it won't be done as in finalised, but now that we know Brexit is going ahead deals can start being made on that basis.

Ah you are all very deluded.

Less immigration? Hahahaha. Clearly never done any of your own research on that one.

More money for the NHS after Brexit? Hahahahahahahahaha.

When do you think Brexit will actually get done? Because by the time it is there won't be an NHS. Certainly not as we know it now.

But thanks for fucking us all over! Good one!

Yes, I'm keen to understand this too and started a thread about it, with no positive responses!

What will be the positives of a hard Brexit, possibly a no deal Brexit, to the people of the UK.

Because that's Johnson's first pledge as re-elected PM; to 'get Brexit done.'

Please explain the positives!

I don’t know.

My mum is on disability benefits and will never work again.
When the Tories first came into power in 2010 and we had all the cuts, she had an awful time and had to go to her MP to her her benefits sorted. Very stressful time.

Yet she voted for the Tories having never really previously.

Why?

Because she voted leave and didn’t believe labour would do it.

There aren't any positives. Unfortunately sometimes there just aren't. It is what it is 🤷🏻‍♀️

@GiveHerHellFromUs and if it turns out that the Tories are incapable of brokering trade deals, then at the end of 2020 we can ask for a 2 year extension, or at the end of 2020, 2021 or 2022 if we cannot agree then we can still leave the EU with no deal, which if you remember is what Boris wanted to do but was legally forced not to.

Its stable rather than hung. Labour were still working toward s leaving the EU so it depends if you really believe corbbyn would have got a better deal or just delayed to a similar deal.
There manifesto shows increased investment and an end of austerity
Im trying to be positive.

@TorysSuckRevokeArticle50 we couldn't get those deals in place because MPs wouldn't support the deal. With a majority in Parliament now, the deal will be passed.

Trade deals will be made and folded for years to come, I'm sure.

I'd like to say that I voted Remain and I don't think the Tories are perfect.

Positives are that with a decent majority BJ will not need to listen to the loony ultra right faction within the CP and is therefore likely to get a softer BREXIT than might otherwise have been the case. DUP also marginalised.

To be fair, BJ has a track record of being a one nation conservative and has recognised that austerity has gone too far. There is therefore likely to be more expenditure on public services, NHS education etc.

Conservative spending plans are likely to be more sustainable than those Labour was offering. Labour’s economic policies would have led to a run on the pound , capital flight, and huge tax increases for all. The line about only those earning over £80000 paying more was nonsense.

National security not endangered by a hard left, Hamas, PIRA supporting apologist for PUTIN and opponent of NATO.

There are downsides too - and the BRexit saga is only beginning.

For me the positives are:-

Brexit can start to happen and remove the uncertainty which is crippling this country (I voted remain but the result should stand and I hope it is positive in the end).

The country won't be spending money on stupid things like nationalising companies, free broadband etc which means more money to spend on more important things.

We still have choice (I don't have children but I didn't like the proposals from labour about private education), inheritence tax, etc.

I'm also very depressed by the results, but trying to find some silver linings. Here's what I've come up with so far:

1. Pound is up, so holidays should be cheaper in the short to mid term if you want to get away and forget about all this!

1. Work shy, lying Boris has got want he wanted so he's now going to have to get his ridiculous brexit plan (for the aftermath

• "leaving" on paper is the easy bit) Good luck with that Boris! I will take some malicious delight in watching you struggle!

1. Surely Corbyn's got to go now? So Labour have five years to find someone vaguely electable to be their leader and sort themselves out. Though I guess there is a danger that the membership will select another hard left option...

I didn’t want Labour, as their policies didn’t add up, and don’t want Brexit. As far as I can see we were doomed either way. I was hoping for a miracle but not sure what that miracle was going to be. Feeling very despondent this morning.

I work in education. I am sure what Boris will give with one hand he will take away with the other. So we will get the extra funding per pupil, so that will be the headline news, but will takeaway the extra funding we get to cover the teacher pay and pension increases, and this won’t make the headlines.

I know emotions are high this morning, but I would really appreciate it if this thread didn’t turn into a bunfight.

I am genuinely looking for the silver lining. There’s nothing we can do about the result now, so it’s best to move forward and we need to know how the tories expect to build a better future and bloody well hold them to account.

Considering he avoided political questioning on the BBC, took a phone of a journalist asking about the NHS (a la Trump), hid in a fridge and took a plane rather than a quicker train all to avoid having to answer questions where does conservatives faith in him being able to broker these negotiations come from? Genuinely don’t understand this one.
Also conservatives are deluded that immigration curbs will cut unemployment - there’s a lack of a seriously skilled Workforce out there that cannot be filled overnight

how will that work for the massive doctor and nurse shortages in the NHS which relies significantly on immigrant populations to sustain it

That's the whole point. We will welcome skilled workers but not people who are unskilled. Hopefully this leads to you being able to get into a new job OP.

And I agree the Macaroni that with a large majority Boris might quietly go down a soft brexit route as that will be easier and quicker to achieve. I don't think he really believes in brexit - for him the whole thing has just been a vehicle to achieve power...

Toryssuck Johnson got his withdrawal agreement through parliament, not a Brexit deal.

He could still decide to leave with no deal tomorrow, that's not off the table.

There is no silver lining. There isn’t one.

Well I guess it means that Brexit will progress and, quite rightly, the Tories will be held to account for how it goes.

I’m lucky that both me and DH are in well paid jobs and at least I’ll be fine.

But my heart breaks for all those teachers, nurses, police officers and other public sector workers.

It breaks for the millions of families in poverty - who’s parents are working but rents are so high, they have to choose between food and rent.

I would like Tory voters to watch the Channel 4 dispatches show and explain what they have to offer these kids: link

What do they have to offer?

No direct policies. Nothing.

I think reading the Labour tax manifesto it was very clear they didn't understand business or tax very well. We are a capitalist country and the wealth come from tax. Although we may have had a year of bounty with tax breaks the following years would have seen the cracks showing and services failing. Although Blair is disliked for being centralist he understood business.

Interestingly the rise of the left has pushed every party to extremes. I think as soon as Nationalisation was mooted on a grand scale it would have sent most moderate people to Tory.

I hope Labour move away from momentum and seek a more centre left leader, that type of leader is good for the country.

There has been so many unsettling statements from Labour, dismantling NATO nuclear deterrent and mass nationalisation. There were even threats to the Queen.

I think all of the above encouraged the country to think carefully and their vote reflected this

It's a positive result for pro-independence Scots living in Scotland.

I feel terribly sad for rUk.

Pinky - what about the labouring jobs though , the farmers have already said about getting hand picked crops in? They cannot get the workforce for this work quick enough. To do 6 weeks work whilst on UC will totally mess up claims.

The only silver lining for me is that it’s not Corbyn. Please can the Labour Party now get rid of Corbyn, the loony far left and Momentum nutters and create a credible opposition!!

Postmissposte do you think I can move to Scotland and vote for independence? Would they have me?!

That’s the thing - labour hadn’t been taken over by the loony left. Their policies weren’t hard left (I suggest you educate yourself if you think so).

I actually would like to hear conservative voters’ responses to the OP’s question.

There are plenty of other threads for us to voice our despair.

I really would like to hear some of the positive points. There must be compelling reasons to continue to vote the conservatives in, election after election. I would like to start understanding better.

There must be tons of conservative voters on Mumsnet. Maybe they’ll respond if we can shut up for a few minutes and listen.

(Like the OP, I seem to live in a bubble. I literally know not one person who voted conservative so it’s so hard to get my head around all the blue on the map this morning).