Tories please tell me the positives

[Mrsemcgregor]

I have to admit I’m feeling pretty bleak this morning, but I recognise that I am living in a left wing echo chamber.

I would really appreciate your views on why the result is good and how our country will improve. Please tell me how the NHS and schools and vulnerable people will be protected.

I’m not being goady, I would honestly really appreciate some positivity.

littlebillie the question was the positives about the Tories.

It's scary that these threads aren't full of Conservatives voters with lots of reassuring thoughts.

Yes I’d like to hear some positives too.

I obviously believe in my own political values. But I’m not arrogant enough to think I couldn’t possibly be wrong. Such a huge number of Tory voters must believe as strongly as I do. And I don’t believe they all hate poor people and children and the nhs. That’s just ridiculous.

It is true that Boris is a donut and a bit of a clown who often puts his foot in his mouth.

It is true that in order to win a majority he has swung to the right to harness the very disgruntled English electorate.

The truth is that Boris was Mayor of London, one of the busiest, richest places on earth and he did a good job. He did this by bringing Londoners, who are mostly Labour, together and creating investment and jobs. I voted Tory to give him the opportunity to do this around the UK.

Boris is not actually the tw@t that you think he is. His energy and belief that the British are a nation of people who have been kept back and subdued is real.

I personally feel that even though the party I voted for didn't gain power, it's positive because:

• A majority means things can actually be put through parliament in a timely manor.
• We can then hold that party accountable for it, without the excuse of things being blocked
• This stability will be reflected in the pound rising, the housing market waking up again etc which is all virally important (and not just so people can have cheap holidays as a PP suggested)
• Brexit can move forwards. I voted to remain, absolutely wish it wasn't happening but also feel it was voted for and thus needs to. We've wasted so much time and money getting to this point, there's no viable alternative especially after last night's result.
• We will be leaving with a deal, even if it's not ideal. Which is infinitely better than a no deal Brexit
• The Conservative manifesto mentioned many areas which would get big spending increases. I think they have responded to public feeling about austerity and will be doing more public spending in this term
• Personally I don't believe for a second the NHS won't be recognisable in 4 years or sold off in chunks to Trump. Complete hyperbole.

Trying to be positive. I don't think either main party getting in would signal the end of the world as we know it. People have lost all sense of perspective.

Bullet point fail and that should say vitally not virally

The truth is that Boris was Mayor of London, one of the busiest, richest places on earth and he did a good job. He did this by bringing Londoners, who are mostly Labour, together and creating investment and jobs. I voted Tory to give him the opportunity to do this around the UK

Er I lived in London when he was mayor so I beg to differ. Running London is nothing like running the country - London is not a reflection of the UK, not by any means.

And a dig into the history of Boris’ views would tell you very clearly what he thinks of single mothers, of the poor, of those with brown skin.

I was just so bitterly disappointed that there isn’t a credible strong opposition to hold him to account.

If JC hadn’t been so badly thought of, and if labour had been clear on Brexit we would be in a different position.

As it is, we will not yet know what kind of Brexit we are getting. No Deal is still very much on the table. That could be a disaster for the economy and I’m willing to bet that the Tories are already getting ready to spin the disaster.

At least they can’t blame labour anymore. That narrative gets old.

Here are some positives from my perspective:

-Parliament now has a clear mandate to move ahead and approve the Brexit deal. That means certainty for investors who had delayed injecting capital into the economy. That means economic growth, more/better jobs, more taxes for the revenue

-The conservative manifesto is not an austerity one, and includes plans for major investment in the NHS. However the spending plans are not ‘full magical unicorn’ as per Labour, so they should be more financially sustainable.

-The conservatives plans for major investment into science and technology are really exciting for our future economy. There is so much talent and expertise in the UK, but the real gains are lost overseas. That needs to be turned around and I believe it can be done with the right support.

-The conservative party is the only party listening to women about GRA concerns.

@Iggly

You can discount Blair’s misgivings about the direction of the Labour Party but when Neil Kinnock says he no longer recognises it as Labour I think you have to acknowledge that it has indeed been taken over by the ultra left.

Momentum will still dominate the party structures even when Corbyn goes. Huge pity because unless they change they will remain unelectable.

No not the ultra left because the manifesto didn’t read as ultra left. It just looks ultra left compared to the new English national party aka the conservatives.

It is Centre left.

We won't have to see Nigel Farage's ugly mug any more. No point to his Brexit party now.

Corbyn will go.

I think that's it.

The positives as I see it are that Brexit will go through and all this obstructive parliamentary behaviour can be stopped. The delays, obstacles and muddle is causing real harm to the economy and to people peace of mind. It needs to move forward and deals made which will help the country's economy and trade so that job security and wages can be more secure. I wish Remain had won and we weren't in this position in the first place, but we are so we need to get out of the mess it's caused as quickly as possible, which should now happen.

And what's wrong with immigration from the rest of the world (or anywhere from that matter)? The people entering will be here because they have jobs, are highly skilled and are needed to progress the economy.

Genuine question - why do people think 'no deal' Brexit is off the table?

Stable business climate

Stable taxation

Investment in NHS

NATO

Nuclear deterrence

Fairer benefit system

Aspirational

Moderate political climate

Also to note I have never called anyone names or assumed they are are intellectually inferior who vote differently to me. The HATE and SCORN surrounding Labour echo chamber is disturbing.

@thehorseandhisboy

Now that Johnson has a decent majority he won’t be dependent on the extreme ERG for support. The ERG were pushing towards no deal. A big win for Boris is good because he will have the support for moderates. This makes no deal far less likely, and it highly likely that the deal agreed by the EU will get through Parliament.

Postmissposte do you think I can move to Scotland and vote for independence? Would they have me?!
Of course you can. Only plus for me about a conservative majority is that it makes independence more likely. I've always felt a bit conflicted as independence would mean leaving behind all the left wing voters of rUK - but it turns out there aren't that many of you! So probably room for all in Scotland?

I just feel sick. Sad. This really means huge changes.

Thanks Tulips, I can see that point of view.

Given that Johnson's pledged to 'get Brexit done' by 31 January, what do you think will happen over the next 6 or so weeks (other than national holidays)!

littlebillie could you explain what 'stable business climate' will mean in practice? It will take years, even decades to 'get Brexit done' - what stability will that bring?

And genuine question, why leads you to believe that the Conservative party will 'invest in the NHS' after what they've done over the last 9 years?

@Mrsemcgregor

You absolutely could choose to move to Scotland and support the movement towards independence. As could anyone currently living in rUk.

If you're in need of another positive, the pound is up this morning.

I don't really get it. I keep hearing that the UK is mostly full of poor people, people on UC with 5p left on the electric, people with 3 kids and a household income of 20k. That the rich middle class are a priveleged minority. So who the fuck is voting Tories in?? The country must be full of rich people.

If you're in need of another positive, the pound is up this morning

That’s only mainly a benefit if you’re betting on the financial markets.

So who the fuck is voting Tories in

Everyone clearly.

Big positive: we don't have to go through this again for a few years.

I suspect its going to be a bit like the old saying 'Whoever has will be given more; whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them.'

We can only wait and see, what is promised and what is delivered are often very different and any problems will still be blamed on the last Labour government.