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Tories please tell me the positives

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Mrsemcgregor · 13/12/2019 06:57

I have to admit I’m feeling pretty bleak this morning, but I recognise that I am living in a left wing echo chamber.

I would really appreciate your views on why the result is good and how our country will improve. Please tell me how the NHS and schools and vulnerable people will be protected.

I’m not being goady, I would honestly really appreciate some positivity.

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thehorseandhisboy · 13/12/2019 08:56

Would it be possible to keep this thread for people explaining the positives of a Conservative win please?

I honestly cannot see any, and would like to have some hope for my children!

Expo · 13/12/2019 08:58

The big positive is that Jeremy is not our leader.

VolcanionSteamArtillery · 13/12/2019 09:01

The concept of private property is respected.

You have a leader that, whether you like him or not, takes people with him. Whether he himself is competent, he puts competent people where they need to be. And actually shuts up incompetent ones.

House of commons isnt ground to a standstill, other business can now happen.

Brexit on reasonable terms is possible

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Genevieva · 13/12/2019 09:05

A strong Conservative majority means we get a centre-right One Nation Conservative agenda because Boris doesn't need the support of the ERG to get policy through.

Jeremy Corbyn is gone. If the Labour Party have any sense, they will throw out Momentum and tell them to set up their own far left party if they want to, but Labour is returning to the centre left. No guarantee, but we can hope.

Iggly · 13/12/2019 09:07

The concept of private property is respected

Which is all well and good but not when there isn’t enough to go around.

thehorseandhisboy · 13/12/2019 09:11

Well, there is plenty of property to go round Iggly, it's the way it's distributed that's the problem.

Billions invested in central London properties that will never be used as homes, while people sleep on the streets outside them.

But I don't think this is the thread for that discussion.

Iggly · 13/12/2019 09:13

Agree that it’s being hoarded by the rich.

And agree it’s not the place.

whatsthecomingoverthehill · 13/12/2019 09:14
  • Having a decent majority means he will hopefully not pander to the extremist right and the DUP.
  • Labour losing so badly will hopefully rid them of Momentum and result in a party that can be a decent opposition that would have some hope of getting into power at some point in the foreseeable future.
littlebillie · 13/12/2019 09:15

The "rich" didn't just vote - lots of people voted normal people, probably people you know....

Logjam · 13/12/2019 09:16

Just the thought of having to listen to Boris's voice and all that bullshit for the next 5 years is depressing me. I thought when austerity was introduced health and education were supposed to be ring fenced! They are just lying bastards the lot of them.
The only positive is the hope that Labour might get a better leader than Jeremy Corbyn.

supadupapupascupa · 13/12/2019 09:17

I voted labour. Feeling very sad this morning. Positive for us is that we will be much better off because most of our income is dividend. (Tax difference from 7% to 20% if labour got in). We can afford to pay more tax. The rich get richer. It's sickening

joffreyscoffees · 13/12/2019 09:20

@Pinkyyy what jobs are the immigrants taking, exactly?

The NHS would absolutely buckle without immigration. Restrictions on EU freedom of movement alone is going to have a massive impact on that.

ElenadeClermont · 13/12/2019 09:25

OP If you are relatively well off, married, both of you working, healthy, no children in state schools, no parents needing care, not reliant on the NHS, and you can keep this all up indefinitely, you have nothing to worry about. This is the only good news I can think of.

VolcanionSteamArtillery · 13/12/2019 09:25

*The concept of private property is respected

Which is all well and good but not when there isn’t enough to go around.*

I'd rather there was more to go round than everyone had less

VolcanionSteamArtillery · 13/12/2019 09:27

The NHS would absolutely buckle without immigration.
But we've just removed burseries from uk student nurses. When you're importing talent and not growing the talent you have theres something out of balance

Iggly · 13/12/2019 09:29

But we've just removed burseries from uk student nurses. When you're importing talent and not growing the talent you have theres something out of balance

Remind me which chancellor removed the bursary for student nurses 🤨

thehorseandhisboy · 13/12/2019 09:30

Volcanion there are nearly a quarter of a million empty homes in the UK.

Some bought as investment properties by people who have no intention of them ever being homes, and others in lower income, particularly coastal areas where there are very high rates of unemployment and people cannot afford to live where they cannot work.

Iggly · 13/12/2019 09:30

I’d rather there was more to go round than everyone had less

That’s magic money tree territory.

There’s no magic money tree precisely because the very rich have far far too much. They can still have more and the rest have a bit more - it’s too far skewed.

Pinkyyy · 13/12/2019 09:32

@joffreyscoffees it's mainly the low paid unskilled jobs. I didn't say they were 'taking' them. But less immigrants coming in and filling those roles will mean more space for them to be filled by British people.

amd4578 · 13/12/2019 09:34

Clearly looking at the stats it wasn't tories that won it was just a spectacular loss by Labour... Most people could easily see that Corbyn and brexit would lose this election for Labour..

If anything this was a second referendum and quite clearly leave has won again.. Unfortunately due to corbyn not recognising this in the first place, he has now last his place as leader!

joffreyscoffees · 13/12/2019 09:35

@Pinkyyy yes, the jobs that British people think are beneath them and don't take, someone has got to do them.

The point about bursaries is pretty irrelevant - it was a Tory government who removed the bursaries so it's them who decided not to grow 'British' talent.

Cameron2012 · 13/12/2019 09:38

I voted Labour and am also waking up feeling sad and despondent.
Thankyou for the positives posted on here, they are very interesting.
I think the positives to come from this election are the number of people that voted, particularly young voters, who will hopefully continue to vote n the future and be politically aware and hold their representatives to account.
I will be putting a few more items in the food bank boxes each week and crossing my fingers that the NHS is safe.

Pinkyyy · 13/12/2019 09:40

@joffreyscoffees those jobs are not beneath British people. I hate this attitude.

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Mrsemcgregor · 13/12/2019 09:53

ElenadeClermont the only one of those I am blessed with is no life critical reliance on the NHS. But that could change in a split second for any of us.

I’ve been proactive this morning and joined the Labour Party. I really hope this defeat gives them the kick up the arse that’s needed. Get rid of Momentum and return to a softer central left party. I want to vote for the next leader, Kier Starmer or Jess Phillips or Hillary Benn would be a good start. But I need to do more research.

I hope that the tories prove me wrong, I really really do. I want to eat my words. I want Boris to be a fantastic PM. I want to see the trickledown effect working. I’m just incredibly pessimistic.

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Iggly · 13/12/2019 09:57

People don’t think the jobs are beneath them. Maybe they just don’t pay enough for them to survive on?