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I feel sick and truly apprehensive about the future

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MyGhastIsFlabbered · 13/12/2019 06:21

Anyone else devastated by the election result? Please can someone tell me it'll be ok?

And please no Tory gloating, I've seen enough of that on FB.

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twosoups1972 · 13/12/2019 13:59

Are things really much worse than under previous governments of the last 50 years?

We've always had problems, I don't remember a time when the country was in a good state and settled and people were satisfied.

Have there really been any really decent Prime Ministers in the last half century?

As for cuts to eduction and the health service - yes there have been major cutbacks and some people are suffering as a result. But we still have a health service, local doctors' surgeries where you can usually get an appointment pretty quickly. We still have some excellent state schools where children come out with good exam results and prospects.

Most other countries also have problems and in some places are in much more dire straits than us. The grass isn't always greener.

Peregrina · 13/12/2019 14:19

I think in the 1950s people did feel a sense of progress, that things were now better. We had a still new NHS so people didn't live in fear of Doctors bills. The Baby boom had led to a lot of new, and well equipped schools being built. MacMillan, a Tory, didn't undo Attlee's welfare reforms and built a lot of council housing stock - which in the early days, was well designed to a decent standard.

And yes, I was alive for most of the 1950s so it's not hearsay. I went to one very new school and one only a few years old, DH also went to a new school - equipped with a piano in each classroom. I don't remember my school being so well endowed for pianos, but each classroom had a well equipped storeroom attached. There was no scrabbling around for pens or stationery.

Sooverthemill · 13/12/2019 14:29

@peregrina but most people aren't which is why I am encouraging people to join now on a thread where people are talking about the election.

"As of July 2019, Labour had 485,000 members, compared to the Conservatives, who had 180,000 members. The SNP had around 125,500 members (December 2018), the Liberal Democrats 115,000 (August 2019), Green Party 48,500 (July 2019), UKIP 29,000 (April 2019) and Plaid Cymru 10,000 (October 2018)"

That's out of a population of approximately 61,000,000- less than a million

TheABC · 13/12/2019 14:34

I interpret the Tory vote as "I'm all right, Jack", as they are clearly not concerned about poverty or public services. It's actually a big relief. No more fighting. They clearly wanted Johnson's outcome. I intend to focus on helping out the local food Bank and homeless shelters in 2020. I hope I am wrong, but if there is a bad recession or reignited NI conflict, I am safeguarding my family by moving.

Chloemol · 13/12/2019 17:39

@MyGhastIsFlabbered

Where in my post did I say you must have voted labour? Read it again I said labour supporters, in the same way you say they are struggling to understand Tory voters

This whole things getting silly now, just the same as the hysterical outbursts over Brexit.

We live in a democracy, where anyone can vote for anybody and not have to justify why to anyone,

MyGhastIsFlabbered · 13/12/2019 17:49

Do you know what @Chloemol I can't actually be bothered to scroll through and find your post to see exactly what you said. But as a general rule if you comment that you're upset about the Tory victory you're immediately called a Labour whinger or similar. Nobody ever thinks you might have voted LibDem/Green/Other.

I've not asked anyone to justify why they voted the way they did, but I'm not going to pretend to be happy with the result. The Tories don't care about the working classes and I'm scared of what's to come.

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bringincrazyback · 13/12/2019 17:51

well I don’t understand how labour supporters can vote for a terrorist loving, racist, Marxist, incapable of making a decision leader

Me neither. Good job Labour's leader is none of those things.

ssd · 13/12/2019 19:33

The thing is, we voted for a party and what's in their manefesto. You don't vote for one person. You vote for the policies they say they will deliver.

Chloemol · 13/12/2019 19:44

@MyGhastIsFlabbered

Yawn

MyGhastIsFlabbered · 13/12/2019 19:51

Why thank you for your insightful comment there Chloe...I feel sooooooo much better now Hmm

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Goldenbear · 13/12/2019 20:08

The problem is though it clearly wasn't just 'the rich' voting for the Tories. Places like Dudley North are not what I would consider 'rich' in monetary terms anyway! I don't see how these voters are not going to be hoisted by their own petards as soon as Brexit is 'done'!

Lily193 · 13/12/2019 20:33

TheABC I intend to focus on helping out the local food Bank and homeless shelters in 2020.

Why haven't you been doing any of these things prior to this? Surely everyone has an individual responsibility to make a valuable contribution to society throughout and this shouldn't require grand gestures made on a public forum. Shameful.

Peregrina · 13/12/2019 21:53

Shameful that we have foodbanks, or are you just being judgemental since you don't know whether ABC already supports food banks or not?

MrsHaversham · 13/12/2019 22:20

Does nobody on the left know how to lose with good grace?

No. I'm honestly terrified.

Not when I'm about to be moved to UC, which going by the experiences of others in my area, will lead to a massive wait for payment which in turn will lead to an eviction Then what? My disabled DH has already been told by his tory voting "friends" that he'll need to 'get off his arse and find a job'. I'll be forced to job search for a full time job, despite already working part time in pastoral care in a primary school whilst I study for a degree part time and caring for my DH.

Biancadelrioisback · 13/12/2019 22:40

I was hopeful.

People on here, on Facebook, on twitter, even on linked in were all leaning red.
Even on the vote for policies website, the majority was red.

I couldn't believe how wrong I was.

Ravenrob · 13/12/2019 22:52

Sad still feeling utterly deflated.

BingoLittlesUncle · 13/12/2019 23:07

I feel that the opposition have let us all down.

This. Ten thousand times this. What does make me apprehensive is that Labour, once more, is going to have a period of in-fighting which will give the Govt. a free hand.

ssd · 13/12/2019 23:08

I actually feel in despair.
I can understand the upper classes voting tory, wanting to look out for each other and themselves.
But I can't understand the English working classes voting tory in droves. I'm Scottish and you'll all know how well the tories did up here. But places like Recar going blue?? I so don't get it.

ssd · 13/12/2019 23:08

Sorry Redcar

RhubarbTea · 13/12/2019 23:12

OP I am with you, and feeling such numbness and despair right now. I want to wake up from this very very long dream that is like an episode of Black Mirror crossed with Years and Years. But... this is my life now.

I'm trying to find solace in small things, in little moments of happiness. I too am terrified of being moved on to UC. It will be the end of my world as I know it, if I am, as I am a single mum who home educates a SEN child and works from home. UC is a disaster for the self employed and will mean we head to the food bank.

In fact, I have this weird thing where I want to help out at my local food bank but I feel ashamed in case i then need to use it. I'm not sure how that would work. I think I'll help anyway and hope it never comes to that for me.
I am so sad for this country today. Mainly, above all because of how divisive this whole things has become; Brexit and now this. It feels like people are pitted against each other, sneering hatefully at each other. It makes my chest hurt.

Scotmummy1216 · 13/12/2019 23:22

I feel deflated by result i really thought Corbyn had some incredible policies which would of helped everyone and seemed genuinely like he cared about nhs, working class. I understand Brexit was a huge issue for many and thats why they have voted conservative but i feel that has been only issue they have looked at. Im Scottish so hopefully we get a chance at another independence referendum as will be voting yes again like i did in 2014.

Ravenrob · 13/12/2019 23:31

I understand why you (and almost everyone I know) want independence @Scotmummy1216 but I just feel it's more divisiveness and another reason I feel gutted about the result Sad I think we have our own problems that need to be prioritised over another referendum. Ahhh, it's complicated.

RaiseaGlasstoFreedom · 13/12/2019 23:46

Ssd your attitude, fascinates me.

I saw some '' old boys '' interviewed in their club tonight somewhere in labour stronghold that's now blue.

They were sweet people and they said... Something like.. '' the way that deputy leader spoke to us, about us, that Tom Watson and people saying we didn't know what we're voting for, we couldn't vote Labour, life long labour in our dna''...

Ssd if brain scientists can work out why you can't grasp that these people are hurt and let down, they could roll out the antidote to the rest of the party and cure them of this strange blindness 😂😂

user764329056 · 13/12/2019 23:56

This feeling of doom hasn’t lessened all day, don’t like feeling this miserable but can’t see a light at end of this tunnel, it all feels hopeless

Scotmummy1216 · 14/12/2019 00:15

@Ravenrob
Yeah i do understand but we are in turmoil as it is. Scottish people feel they have no voice in Westminster. If Corbyn was pm and indyref2 happened i would vote no but feel with torys and where they want to lead it is scary times which i would rather be away from.

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