I feel sick and truly apprehensive about the future

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Anyone else devastated by the election result? Please can someone tell me it'll be ok?

And please no Tory gloating, I've seen enough of that on FB.

A lot of my friends, my mother and my fiancé who were Labour voters previously voted Tory in the last two elections and they are most definitely NOT racist, sexist and homophobic (ALL of my gay friends voted Tory this election).

I did vote Labour but I am sad to say that the only supporters I have come across who have been rude, hostile and dramatic have been my fellow Labour supporters.

I'm worried about the impact of continuing austerity measures on the poor and disabled.

I'm worried about the increasing privatisation of the NHS by stealth. Saying it's not for sale is just words - don't forget the Boris was pro-Europe until he realised that he could nail his colours to the leave mast and realise his leadership ambitions. Anyone who thinks that the US won't demand access as part of talks is being naive; when we're out of the EU and desperate for trade deals, we won't be in a strong negotiating position, will we?

I'm worried about the rise of xenophobia. The importation of nationalist fervour is translating to a rise in intolerance, racism and antisemitism. It's divisive at a time when we need to pull together.

Stats and info:
austerity and a possible link to the rise in the death rates
UN findings on austerity within the UK
debt as a % of GDP has risen despite austerity because growth in the economy has been slower than expected
UK-US trade deal considerations
fact check findings showing that there are more food banks than branches of McDonalds
67% of disability benefit appeals against the DWP are successful
firefighter numbers dropped from c.43.3k to 34.9k between 2011-18
police numbers have dropped by over 20,000 in the last nine years
the above cuts to public service workers despite population growth of 4.6m between 2010-19

Sigh, austerity is over, and the nhs isn't for sale.

Seriously does the result not show that spreading this nonsense is just silly. People do actually understand what's going on and pretending otherwise is just daft.

Just a thought: If people think Britain is lawless now, you just wait until people start getting REALLY desperate. Woo.

First we had the remainers giving lots of abuse to the leave voters. They were all thick and racist.

Now we have the labour voters giving lots of abuse to conservative voters. Again, they are all thick and racist.

I have often wondered just how representative of real life mn is and now I know. I was actually amazed at how many posters said they were voting labour as, in real life, I think I know 2 people that said they would vote labour, 1 that said they would vote lib dem and over 30 that said they would vote conservative. None of them rich but all ordinary working class people.

the thing is, you read their manifesto and on paper it all sounds great, no tax rises, more childcare places, more nurses. Brill!

But... How are they going to do any of it considering they haven't managed to do any of it in the time they have already been in power?

I also think Boris Johnson as a person is vile, and honestly couldn't run a race let alone a country. I mean, how does a man who hides in fridges and pockets reporters phones seem like a good choice? I cant get my head around that.

This post up thread jumped out at me. It's about the NHS but could be applied to anything, to illustrate why I feel so apprehensive

The Conservatives have stated clearly and unequivocally, many times, that the NHS is not, nor will it ever be, for sale. This isn’t something they’re a bit cagey or evasive about, they’ve been very clear.

Great. But. They are enthusiastically led by a man who thinks nothing of lying, who lies consistently and effectively and who excelled at avoiding any consequences of lying.

How can anyone trust anything that he says?

Instead, we have to go by what they actually do. Insofar as we can work that out against a wall of media attempts to deflect from their true intentions.

As it happens, I agree they don't intend to see the NHS. Instead, I think they will agree to change the basis on which the cost for drugs and equipment sold to the NHS is calculated, which will cause the costs to the NHS to rise.

This will be popular for large pharmaceutical companies beyond just the NHS. At the moment, because the NHS buying for the whole country is a major player. Lots of organisations in other countries set their prices as NHS plus a small percent. Higher NHS prices would raise prices for everyone. A bit of a win for the companies selling these drugs.

It takes careful reading, examination of sources and analysis. Not just so easy to convey in a sound bite.

The world does seem bleaker today to me

I genuinely thought Labour would do well. Their manifesto gave me so hope for the future.
I don't want Brexit and I certainly don't want Scottish Independence. The division and disruption is the same. Feeling a bit lost in Scotland this morning as everyone around me wants independence.

@bollykecks, they have actually done quite a bit of that already. Raise personal allowance to 12.5k, lowest unemployment rate in 40 years, 30 hours funding from age 3 for many. Their current action demonstrates their ambitious manifesto is deliverable.

Well, at least Scotland might get free of this shower of shite.

OP, a lot of people feel as you do. It’s natural to mourn for lost hopes. But life will go on in the same old grind we’ve got used to. Good things will also happen, unrelated to the political scene. Friends and family can be a comfort. We just have to make the best of it and take care of ourselves and those who depend on us.
Sending you love and sympathy xx

newmummy they also brought in universal credit which has had a devastating effect, and lets face it the 30 hours has closed lots of nurseries, and hasn't benefitted people the way they told us all that it would. Don't get me wrong, its made our life slightly easier, but it hasn't for childcare providers!

I really, really honestly hope that they achieve everything they have said they will in their manifesto, because if they do that would be great... but with Boris in charge? not so sure.

I'm sad and scared too but to be honest, what's the uk compared to America? A drop in the ocean. It's trump that truly scares me, his actions affect us all.

I’m a Tory voter living in Scotland, and Boris is the only thing standing between us and the financial suicide of independence. I’m praying he stands firm on his pledge to never allow Sturgeon a second independence referendum.

Please - it's not a dictatorship every major decision has to be voted on in Parliament / debated in the Lords

@Stooshie8

Did you read their albeit brief manifesto. Especially the part (p48) where they set out

“After Brexit we also need to look at the broader aspects of our constitution: the relationship between the government, parliament and the courts; the functioning of the Royal prerogative; the role of the House of Lords; and access to justice for ordinary people. The ability of our security services to defend us against terrorism and organised crime is critical. We will update the Human Rights Act and administrative law to ensure that there is a proper balance between the rights of individuals, our vital national security and effective government.”*

What are the chances that the changes they propose will strengthen the ability of the institutions to hold the government to account? Might the government think it more convenience to make changes to give them a freer hand and avoid any challenge ?

The parallels to the rise of the populist movement in Germany in the 30's. That started in response to the depression and lower standard of living and was supported by the rich who thought they could control the masses. Starting with 'othering' different groups in society and look where that ended up.

I really feel the outlook is bleak and that resistance is too late. we have already given it our best shot and we have lost to the forced of darkness.

Remember Martin Niemöller's words 'first they came for the socialists, and I did not care because I was not a socialist' and finished when they came for me, there was no one left to defend me.

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/martin-niemoeller-first-they-came-for-the-socialists

Well I didnt get to vote for either due to parliamentary convention so I'm at a loss at the moment!

And leaving the EU is not financial suicide, Bab? Can't fucking wait to get shot of this lot of xenophobic twats.

It was a Brexit vote rather than an anti Labour policies vote.

It was BOTH. Last night on TV there was a Momentum leader saying it was all about Brexit. It wasn't. It was partly Brexit, but also partly because of Momentum. He just wouldn't accept that any of the policies other than Brexit was wrong. Until they wake up and smell the coffee, Labour won't win in 5 years time either. Elections are won and lost in the middle, i.e. Mondeo Man. The only Labour leader to understand that and win elections in the last 50 years was Blair. If Labour are serious about winning next time, they need to ditch Momentum and place themselves firmly left of centre to appear to the middle/floating voters.

They also need to get our of their London/Metropolitan bubble and start to work at their regional traditional heartlands who feel abandoned by them, hence losing so many traditional Labour seats.

Does nobody on the left know how to lose with good grace?

Your fantacist policies and marxist leader were heard and the people decided his version of Labour was not theirs.

Jeremy is going and I suspect going a lot faster than he planned - I'll give him until Wednesday.

I’m praying he stands firm on his pledge to never allow Sturgeon a second independence referendum.

He doesn't need to give Sturgeon an inch. He's got a big enough majority to basically ignore her.

It just confirms that the majority of this country are racist, sexist and homophobic.

There will be so much crap like this about in the next few days. Aggressive Momentum bullshit will be everywhere.

Fwiw - I am a lifelong Labour voter but saw the danger of JC and the woke brocialists and the threat they are to women's rights.I could not vote for the LP. I spoiled and am relieved at the result this morning.

Jeremy is going and I suspect going a lot faster than he planned - I'll give him until Wednesday.

He should have already gone. What's the point in clinging on by his finger-tips. He also needs to take O'Donnell and Abott with him - let's hope they all go sooner rather than later so Labour can move on to a new dawn and a credible front bench.

I think he will hang on as long as possible because he cannot see that he is useless and neither can the Momentum crowd. They are blaming everyone and everything but themselves for this collapse in the Labour vote.

I agree. JC needs to go.

But I think that hard questions need to be asked of the fake news swimming around which fed into the negative narrative. Pathetic smears such as photoshopping fake shoes onto Diane Abbott. Come the fuck on.

I should be celebrating today, we will get brexit, I wanted brexit. But not at the expense of ppl suffering poor health care, food banks and UC. I sold out and voted labour b’cos I always have, b’cos I don’t want my child to get in 50/60k of debt from uni. I don’t know what to think and feel this morning