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I feel sick and truly apprehensive about the future

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MyGhastIsFlabbered · 13/12/2019 06:21

Anyone else devastated by the election result? Please can someone tell me it'll be ok?

And please no Tory gloating, I've seen enough of that on FB.

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hsegfiugseskufh · 13/12/2019 09:57

it really gets me that conservative voters are throwing around insults like god knows what, but then crying that labour voters are doing the same. Its pathetic!

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FinallyHere · 13/12/2019 09:58

Boris is the only thing standing between us and the financial suicide of independence.

Boris is also driving Brexit which is surely building support for independence. Without Brexit, the case for independence is much weaker.

How does Boris manage to get support in that way?

This goes along with my question how can anyone in good conscience try to forcibly block attempts to gain independence rather than put the case for being 'better together'

Ah, wait, that only worked when we were all in the EU.

BaolFan · 13/12/2019 09:59

Sigh, austerity is over, and the nhs isn't for sale.

Austerity spending may well be over, but we are still feeling the after-effects of it, and will be for some time to come. The lower numbers of police and firefighters don't lie - neither do the closures of sure start centres which actually helped save the NHS money due to early interventions

And yes, the NHS is not for sale today. But if you honestly think that the US won't demand access to it as part of trade talks, then you are living in cloud cuckoo land. The US doesn't need a deal with us, whereas we will very definitely need a deal with them - what do you think that means for our negotiating position? After all, it's not as if US pharmaceutical companies will have a vested interest...

M3lon · 13/12/2019 10:01

It will be okay. The country kinda survived Thatcher so we will survive Boris too.

Five years will pass faster than you think and with Corbyn gone shortly the labour party can rebuild itself.

bobstersmum · 13/12/2019 10:03

Conservative have been in power for nearly 10 years ago why are you worried so much now? In the grand scheme of things nothings changed!

mrssoap · 13/12/2019 10:06

@confusedandemployed may i ask how this will affect your friend in a bad way?

Dissimilitude · 13/12/2019 10:07

Turn social media off. Go outside. People are still going to work, going to school, going about their business. The sky is not falling in.

BaolFan · 13/12/2019 10:08

M3lon I hope so.

I also hope that this will show the Corbynistas that he has to go. The dig in factionalism of the hard left simply does not work. And I say that as someone who held their nose and voted Labour.

I am disappointed at the result, but there is a clear majority and that's democracy. I do agree with some of the posters pointing out that telling Tory voters they are racist and disablist achieves nothing. Apart from being offensive - and largely untrue - all it does is cement a divide between personality politics. I know lots of people who voted Tory, all of whom are nice and decent people and had good and valid reasons for doing so.

I think there are lots of people like me who had to pick the best of a bad bunch. I'd like to see a move towards something which is centre-left and therefore electable. It's all very well being ideologically pure, but you achieve diddly-squat if you aren't in power.

Jaxhog · 13/12/2019 10:09

It will be fine. Life as we know it will carry on. Some may find it better, some may find it worse. Some will achieve greatness, some won't. In other words, it will be business as usual and we'll get on with it as we always have.

This. At least the economy will be safer than with any of the alternatives on offer. Brexit may be a bad move, but we Brits have fortitude and will cope ok.

ChristmasSpirtsOnTheRocksPleas · 13/12/2019 10:09

Most of us voted against a party with bad policies and an absolutely horrid leader (as opposed to boris who, while shit, isn’t as bad). I wouldn’t take Boris as representative of the views and opinions of the country this morning, rather think of him as a beneficiary of tactical voting.

bluebell34567 · 13/12/2019 10:10

it shows that the country had enough of uncertainty.

Considermesometimes · 13/12/2019 10:11

We have been celebrating all night, relieved that common sense and critical thinking has finally won the day. Today will be defined in history for centuries to come, a defining moment when the country finally recovered its self confidence and independence.

I am truly relieved that our country now has a future without Corbyn, our NHS can look forward to the investment promised, I am relieved the police force will be reinforced and I for one, can sleep again at night.

I am a labour supporter by the way, but voted conservative in the end. I have lent them my vote to pull our country away from the fractious squabbling about brexit to brighter, better years. I am feeling optimistic for the first time in years.

Labour will be reborn in time, not all is lost.

BaolFan · 13/12/2019 10:13

bobstersmum really? 20,000 fewer police officers and 4 million children living in poverty. Disability benefit assessments outsourced to a private firm which is financially incentives to find people fit to work. Tell the family of Michael O'Sullivan that nothing has substantially changed in the last 10 years.

Babdoc · 13/12/2019 10:14

A couple of PPs seem to think that leaving the EU is worse than leaving the UK would be for Scotland.
May I point out that, for all your rhetoric about Tory austerity, poverty levels are actually higher in Germany (11%) than in Britain (7.8%).

bonbonours · 13/12/2019 10:15

Op I'm with you and anyone who doesn't worry about the country is living in a dream world.

Lily193 · 13/12/2019 10:15

Lots of organisations in other countries set their prices as NHS plus a small percent.

Where is your evidence for this? Which countries specifically and which organisations? How do all of these countries gain insights into UK tender discussions and how can you make sweeping statements like this when we have branded products, generics and biosimilars are being used alongside each other in the NHS?

hsegfiugseskufh · 13/12/2019 10:18

Christmas and yet he is in charge now....not sure how its a good thing that someone like him is in charge only because enough people hate the opposition.

SuntanC · 13/12/2019 10:31

@Ravenrob don't worry, you're not alone! I don't want Brexit or independence. I dread to think what the next few years are going to be like. Divisive doesn't even begin to describe it.

AspergersMum · 13/12/2019 10:32

To the people all over MN saying they are going to buy private medical insurance (and there have been many this morning, strangely) - do you understand UK PMI? It doesn't generally cover what you need it to cover, preexisting conditions, and it considers the NHS to be the main point of care and it is just a backup for some surgeries and a telephone GP appointment. You'd still have to wait in a queue at A&E as that isn't covered under PMI. And the price is horrendous.

hsegfiugseskufh · 13/12/2019 10:36

aspergers that would likely change though if the NHS just closes down all together, or becomes a paid for service though wouldn't it?

I actually looked out of interest (and whilst I have asthma so It wouldn't benefit me in that respect) and it would cost just short of £200 a month for me, dp and ds. Including all the optional extras. whilst we could afford this and absolutely would pay it if it came to it, so so many people wouldn't be able to afford this.

I know a lot of people are convinced that the NHS will become private, as in no free healthcare at all for anyone, I just cant see how that will happen because so many people would be dying! I cant see how any government would want that in their legacy?

StrangeLookingParasite · 13/12/2019 11:02

Sigh, austerity is over, and the nhs isn't for sale.

Dear God, you are naiive.

Conservative have been in power for nearly 10 years ago why are you worried so much now? In the grand scheme of things nothings changed!

They now have a mandate to do whatever they like, and what they most like is making the few richer, while ideally killing off the less rich.

MyGhastIsFlabbered · 13/12/2019 11:26

Well of course we'll keep on going...what bloody choice will we have? But more people will die, more people will live in poverty and none of BoJo's promises of more nurses, policemen/social housing etc will come good. They've had 10 years to make these changes and haven't. The Tories have only ever cared about wealthy people. I'm already struggling month by month and I'm bloody terrified about what's going to happen now.

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hsegfiugseskufh · 13/12/2019 11:32

aw silver I imagine you don't have any money worries though do you?

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