Oh dear God

[KenAdams]

This exit poll is just...no words.

Running yeah, I really dislike all the personal abuse.

I understand that people are frightened, really, really frightened about the future - with very good reason - and lashing out out of fear and anger, but it's vile reading thread after thread of it.

"You really need to stop thing thing that you are Very Clever, whilst everyone who thinks differently to you is Very Not Clever, poor things."

As a Labour supporter, I agree. Middle class Labour voters are, ime, almost all like this. They look down on the working class, they like them being poor so they can help them out at food banks and make themselves feel like Lady Bountiful.

The election was so obviously called deliberately before Brexit. If Brexit was really going to the glorious utopia they're claiming, why not call it after and claim Labour voters that way?

Sad, sad days ahead indeed. Not unsurprising but terribly sad.
A travesty for democracy. A government elected on lies and the emperors new clothes.
The very white working class voters supporting a hard Brexit will be the ones who suffer most. There will undoubtedly be more poverty, worse public services and a future more bleak for many than Thatcher left us with.
We’ll lose Scotland too, I suspect.

Happy days.

As for the timing Labour got us into this hole. They refused to support the draft withdrawal agreement May and then BJ negotiated since 2016 and without a majority MPs would not approve that EU agreement, nor would they approve any other deal, nor revoking article 50 nor no deal. The country was a national laughing stock and Mps would not agree any single optiona t all - we were caught in perpetual purgatory - never moving forward or back..

Labour caused this and now they are living with the consequences.

Sick of remainers hurling abuse at leavers - all thick and racist and now just as sick of labour supporters hurling abuse at conservative voters - again all thick and racist.

Maybe now you will see that if there ever was a 2nd referendum it will still be LEAVE.

Tory votes are not all thick and racist but it seems most labour voters are bloody rude and ignorant

Cameron called the EU referendum, which resulted in splits and division that this country will never heal from.

An overall 'remain' vote would have kept the status quo, but not for long.

It was the Conservative party that caused the Brexit mess - I don't think even you can blame Labour for this Xenia.

Xenia - You can’t be serious, surely? Cameron thought a referendum would secure a Tory majority but also thought a leave vote was inconceivable. He took us into this with no expectation of the devastation it would wreak.

CherryPavlova

Exactly

I don't agree with referenda and were I Cameron I would not have had one. However we had it and leave won. I voted remain like loads of Tory remainers. Now we leave presumably on 31 Jan and start the big negotiations over all sorts.

I don't blame Labour although I blame the 50% of Labour and 50% of Tory voters who voted leave for the result, yes. But here we are - we gave the people a vote and now we have to live with the consequences.

"You really need to stop thing thing that you are Very Clever, whilst everyone who thinks differently to you is Very Not Clever, poor things."

As a Labour supporter, I agree. Middle class Labour voters are, ime, almost all like this. They look down on the working class, they like them being poor so they can help them out at food banks and make themselves feel like Lady Bountiful.

Very well said. The whole attitude is going to have to change. Otherwise core Labour support will be alienated in the medium to long term.

Yes but yes I am finding it increasingly difficult to emphatise with a large part of the population who are actually voting for their own demise.

They - demonstrably - don't want your paternalistic "empathy" and are quite capable of making decisions in what they themselves deem to be in their own best interests.

But we didn't give people the vote in the EU referendum, Xenia.

Cameron did for his own self-serving interests, which then massively backfired and has caused divisions and damage that the UK will never heal from.

Pointing out which parts of the population won’t be better off under the Tories despite voting for them is not the same as thinking you are very clever. Like towns up north voting for Brexit and the Tories despite factories and businesses while communities rely on closing down because of Brexit in front of their very eyes🤷🏻‍♀️

Yes, like all the people in the North East voting to leave and then losing their jobs when Honda said it would be shutting.

I know someone whose son is going to lose his job because of Brexit, and who said that when they voted for Brexit they "didn't know" what it would mean. They also told me that they were planning to vote Tory. It did not occur to them that there was a connection, and when I pointed it out, they said that Corbyn couldn't be trusted. It defies belief!

Labour caused this and now they are living with the consequences

Not mch is simple in politics, but that at least seems true

I'm not sure, though, how "they lost because of Brexit" fits with the constant insistence on here that leave voters are terminally confused, stupid or evil and sometimes all three - also that most have changed their minds and "remain" would win now all the leavers' lies have been exposed

If that's true, why would Labour have been at a disadvantage against a party promising Leave?

Labour didn't cause the EU referendum though, did they?

That was Cameron's self-serving agenda, which backfired massively.

The Brexit vote has caused divisions in communities and across the country from which the UK will never heal. It would have done whatever the outcome, arguable less if the outcome had been to maintain the status quo ie to remain.

The Brexit agenda and vote opened the door to the Far Right, as division based on immigration myths always does.

I think it's fair to say that Labour didn't cause that.

Laour did not bother to campaign against Brexit because Corbyn wants out.

Labour

Corbyn is a Eurosceptic, he sat on the fence in a [now known futile] attempt to appeal to both sides, but he is really about the leave.

Tp be truly socialist, not just social democrat like much of the EU, then we had to leave to give massive state aid to industry, to nationalise etc. it is not surprising Corbyn might have wanted out.

Anyway now we just have get on with it and try to be a nation no longer divided between brexit and us remaners and get on with the rest of the things that need to be done.

Turkeys voting for Christmas.... sad days.

The turkeys were Momentum voting for an unelectable leader.