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The polls are narrowing

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Yappy12 · 30/11/2019 20:49

Only 7 point lead for Boris in latest poll. Still all to play for.
Boris on Marr tomorrow morning.

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Rumboogie · 06/12/2019 11:24

He literally stood in front of a bus that promised 350 million a week to the NHS if we left the EU.

That is actually not true. It is this erroneous assertion that is the lie, not the original statement.

The slogan said,

'We send £350 million a week to the EU' - This is true, as far as it goes. Sometimes it is more (sometimes much more), sometimes a bit less. We get some of it back.

The next sentence says,

'Let's fund our NHS instead'

This does not say that this whole amount will go to the NHS. It does not say what proportion of it may.

However there is no element of untruth in either of the two statements.

If people thought that £350million a week would go to the NHS they should take more careful note of the precise language used. Their misinterpretation is due to lack of attention to detail and naivety. Boris did not lie.

Waxonwaxoff0 · 06/12/2019 11:26

@dreamingofsun er, Boris used the racist term "picanninies" to describe black African people.

Not knowing when the queen's speech on is hardly a crime. I don't watch it, I'm anti royal.

BarbourellaTheCoatzilla · 06/12/2019 11:29

he ([Jeremy Corbyn] doesnt even know when the queen's speech is on at christmas!
OH MY FUCKING GOD LYNCH HIM.

dreamingofsun · 06/12/2019 11:34

saying you watch the queen's speech on christmas day morning shows you are lying because anyone who does watch it knows its in the afternoon. either that or you have a very very bad memory....which would be equally worrying for a PM

Venger · 06/12/2019 11:34

he doesnt even know when the queen's speech is on at christmas!

So? He spends Christmas Day volunteering in a homeless shelter, if he's not at home watching the speech why would he know what time it's on?

Waxonwaxoff0 · 06/12/2019 11:46

@dreamingofsun because if he said straight out that he didn't watch it, the media would have a field day saying he's anti Britain and anti royal, like they always do. He can't win.

Ihaventgottimeforthis · 06/12/2019 12:07

@Rumboogie the rebate is applied straight away, so we don't ever send £350 million to the EU, it's more like £250 million.

The phrasing of the bus ad was deliberate, to imply that this 'saving' would be directed towards the NHS.
The Tories were playing on people's naivety and knew full well people would make the literal connection.
To then say 'oh well we never actually literally promised that' is deceitful and cunning and underhand. A classic Tory strategy.

dreamingofsun · 06/12/2019 12:24

And bribing the electorate with all sorts of 'freebies' that the younger generation will end up paying for due to massive national debt its not at all deceitful or cunning i guess ihavnetgott

Rumboogie · 06/12/2019 12:27

Boris often simply speaks the truth, although many don't like to hear it.

Regarding his comments about poor single working mothers, and about women more widely having been 'socially Gestapoed' into the workplace, I agree with him.

He is not talking about highly paid career women who get a lot of job satisfaction and self-validation from their career and can afford high-quality child care. He means less well off women who are forced to work to live and he is also talking about the current expectation that women will work rather than bring up their children.

This has been encouraged by nursery subsidies, but lack of similar payments for SAHM, which is quite illogical. Totally ridiculous to farm your children out to strangers in a 1:8 or less adult:child ratio rather than bring them up properly yourself, but women need to be PAID for this independently of their partners.

Pushing women out into the workplace is probably because Govts. of all stripes want the tax receipts from the increased employment together with the greater number of nursery and childcare businesses.

Similarly with his 'burka' comments. This Telegraph column was actually a defence of women being entitled to wear what they like, contrasting with Denmark, which had banned it. He expressed his view that it could be oppressive in some circumstances and of what it looked like to him. However he defended the right to wear it.

The trouble is he generates these soundbites which are taken out of context and used against him.

@Waxonwaxoff0

The mention of picanninnies (and watermelon smiles) was in an anti-Imperialist, satirical article in the Telegraph in 2002, criticising Tony Blair for his globe-trotting White Saviour act as racist (and also criticising the Queen as head of the Commonwealth as pseudo-Imperialist). He deliberately used those words in the article as reflecting those values, as part of a progressive critique of Blair's grotesque and archaic act as 'Big White Chief', come to save the 'p.....'

These words have been taken out of context and used as a smear.

You should go back to the source yourself and not simply repeat the propaganda of others.

Looneytune253 · 06/12/2019 12:31

@dreamingofsun to be fair all the parties are doing that but the tories are pretty notorious for it. Also as per your previous comment about members of the Labour Party resigning due to the anti semitism row, do you realise this also happens in other parties. (Cons too) and there's always gonna be a few bad apples in any walk of life. I don't think it's accepted by the party in any way shape or form. The resignations are probably forced to be fair as they won't want to be adding any fuel to the fires.

Camomila · 06/12/2019 12:44

Rumboogie as you like accuracy, nursery ratios in England are 1:3 for 0/1 year olds, 1:4 for 2 year olds and 1:8 for 3/4 year olds or 1:13 if there is a qualified early years teacher/teacher in the room.

DS is farmed off at nursery right now and I'm not even at work Shock

thehorseandhisboy · 06/12/2019 13:28

If Johnson often simply speaks the truth, why is he refusing to participate in the democratic process and be interviewed by Andrew Neil?

Neil says that the interview is 'oven ready' and that the key issue is a matter of trust in him.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/05/bbcs-andrew-neil-lays-down-gauntlet-to-boris-johnson-over-interview

noblegiraffe · 06/12/2019 13:49

Boris often simply speaks the truth

But he has also been sacked for lying.

And he lied to the Queen.

He stood in front of cameras and told someone “no press here”.

He’s a pathological liar and can’t be trusted.

greenlavender · 06/12/2019 13:51

@dreamingofsun - & yet you'd vote for Boris.
@Rumboogie - vote for Boris if you want, this is a democracy. But please don't insult our intelligence by pretending he's honest.

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