London Bridge incident **WARNING from MNHQ - graphic content**

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Anyone there? Reports are sketchy at the moment. www.theguardian.com/uk-news/live/2019/nov/29/london-bridge-incident-police-city

Interesting, how humans give one man a medal and another is shot

Wtf? Who cares about their felon status. They were brave as both you and I would be running the other way.

I hope this doesn't mean more attacks on the lead up to Christmas.

Being an offender isn't necessarily the total of your character. I'd still vote for medals being awarded.

That may be the case, but I don't know, allegedly James Ford tried to intervene yesterday, but considering what his crime was, should he get one? I think if you take a life you should have to carry that burden forever.

I am agog at people and the way they value life, the way they value the murdered and murderers.

It's all gone a bit eye for an eye overnight hasn't it?
I do understand that if my daughter had been killed and her killer was not in prison I'd probably want to tear his heart out with my own bare hands, but if that same man then stops someone killing other people maybe I'd begin to think he had been rehabilitated.
I don't know.
It's a moral situation few of us have to face.
Whoever those people were, and whatever their backgrounds, yesterday they saved lives.

Kateandme- I think something "bigger" does kick in- every time this kind of thing happens we see random snapshots of humans being a bit bloody amazing.

Where has it gone an eye for an eye? I think he was incredible brave and his actions heroic (although his involvement isn't known at the time, just that he was on the bridge), I just don't think it would be fair to describe him as a hero. Just my opinion, and I'm guessing everyone's will differ.

I am trying to clear up 2019 UK morals here.

Police officer shooting to death 28 year old knife wielding man - this murderer deserves a Knighthood? This murdered person deserved it?

Man convicted of murdering learning disabled young women, feels suicidal, later wrestles murderer, this murderer attacking another murderer deserves a Knighthood? The murderer he wrestled deserved to be shot dead?

Police officer shooting to death 28 year old knife wielding man - this murderer deserves a Knighthood?

You are calling the cop who shot the convicted terrorist who had just killed two civilians and was wearing a suicide vest a murderer?

I suppose it is different because in that moment the terrorist was actually committing the murders and trying to kill more. Reports suggest he had one knife taped to his hand. Also they believed he had a suicide vest on. You don’t fuck about with a bomb, in that moment you take away the threat. The police officer wasn’t going around shooting people at random. He took out the bomb threat. So of course it isn’t the same.

The 28 year old? Are you referring to the convicted terrorist with the suicide vest who had murdered two people at a conference on integration post conviction while out on license?

Thanks for the messages for my friend. I think we all feel that way. He sent me a voice message to say he had been kicking the knife out of his hands, which is what you see the other man take away. He's not an offender though, was just a guy going to a bar to celebrate his friends birthday. Not sure about the other people though.

He's being looked after by the police.

I am absolutely disgusted by your comment, HoldNose. Your obvious ignorance of what the term 'murder' means is not an excuse. The officer who shot the terrorist is not a murderer by any definition.

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All the best to your friend.

I am absolutely disgusted by your comment, HoldNose. Your obvious ignorance of what the term 'murder' means is not an excuse. The officer who shot the terrorist is not a murderer by any definition

Well said. And describing the convicted terrorist as a ‘28 year old?’

No Holdnose they are not.

Murder is a crime. Murder is arbitraily killing someone without sanction.

An armed police officer is sanctioned to kill. Therefore he is not a muderer. Just as a soldier in a battle is not. Would you call men and women serving in the armed forces who kill people in defence of this country's way of life 'murderers?'

Don't be so ridiculous.

Holdnose, your attempts to draw any kind of parallel between the convicted terrorist who had killed two people and was wearing a suicide vest and the cop that shot him? Fail.

HoldNose if you really think armed suicide vest (hoax or not) wearing terrorists are the same as the armed Police Officers who take them down then you are deluded.

The terrorist had already stabbed, maimed and murdered people. He was wearing a vest which the Police calculated could cause untold damage and take many more lives, like the Manchester Arena bomber. They had no other option unless perhaps you feel they ought to have sat down over a cup of tea to discuss it?

And to whoever posted Katie Hopkins' boring racist drivel....... there's a reason why no news outlet in the UK will employ her any more!

You can categorise people how you like in your mind, you can influence people on MN, you can't control how everyone will categorise those who take a life.