Prince Andrew

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I haven’t watched the interview, but heard reports of the content. I just find it unbelievable he claims he can’t remember meeting a woman he had his arm around! Despicable. Does anyone believe him?

Sorry no..the pic of NC and VG is here ..also GM

beanaseireann The detail that she was in his care to follow her career just adds that extra touch of horror, doesn't it? On top of the emotional impact of abuse, she would have had the physical impact of pregnancy, childbirth and recovering from pregnancy, all when she had presumably intended to be at dance school.

A 14-year-old girl was entrusted to (van der Post's) care in the UK while she pursued her hopes of becoming a ballet dancer. He got her pregnant, which is why we know about it

Dear god - I honestly had no idea (and can't help remembering that he took Charles off to share a tent in the Kalahari or somewhere)

In other news, it's just been confirmed that KPMG will no longer sponsor Pitch@Palace. Apparently the decision was made "at the end of October" so had nothing to do with the interview ... yeah, right

This is perhaps a stupid question, but does everyone else actually know what he meant by sex is "a positive act" for a man or is it just gibberish because he is an idiot?

Further news on Andrew's sponsors from the Financial Times: www.ft.com/content/8ab4f72e-0a1d-11ea-b2d6-9bf4d1957a67

The "rethinks" seem to be spreading ...

In other news, it's just been confirmed that KPMG will no longer sponsor Pitch@Palace. Apparently the decision was made "at the end of October" so had nothing to do with the interview ... yeah, right

Just heard the news..

Does anyone remember when PA sprayed press with paint?

It’s almost like the press keep the photos, the stories etc on file for the most opportunistic moment

VGs lawyer isn’t letting this drop..as shown in the video

I know it doesn’t make this right..but I’m pleased VG has now carved herself a nice family life with her husband and her children
( to think JE and GM wanted her to carry a baby for them...)

I don’t think Naomi Campbell is necessarily involved. I mean why do we need to try and involve a woman to blame when there are plenty of rich white men who were clearly in charge anyway?
NC has a birthday party aboard someone’s yacht- she’s a model and Clearly involved with the type of men who own yachts. Epstein is closely linked to the modelling world so no surprise really.

I think the problem is the institution, not the upbringing. How do you avoid giving your children a sense of entitlement if you are literally bringing them up to be princes and princesses? How do you give them a sense that everyone has equal worth if you are also trying to explain why some people are called 'your royal highness'?

So Andrew's 'partners' are dropping like flies.

And C4 is reairing its documentary on him and Epstein tonight.

As attempts to 'draw a line' under something go, this one has been a failure of monumental proportions.

The queen really has to do something. Favourite child or not, he is tarnishing her entire family and even threatening the future of her beloved monarchy. Invent some 'illness' which means he has to withdraw from public life. And do it quickly.

I think the positive act description started out as a simple idea that turned into word salad as he lost the thread of what had seemed like an essentially easy description. Bit like this sentence of mine, which has attempted to address an impenetrable thicket of a sentence. Has any of that helped.

Why are people bringing Naomi Campbell into it? Let’s find a woman to blame?

Why are people bringing Naomi Campbell into it? Let’s find a woman to blame?

Why not? At least ask her if she saw something..nothing to do with whether she is male or female
Ask the other people at the party too..if you can work out who they are?

" How do you avoid giving your children a sense of entitlement"

But it's common sense not to associate with a convicted sex offender!

Why would anyone want to-even if there were "perks"?

I'll tell you what, that weird as fuck thing Kevin Spacey did in his kitchen with a royal family mug has become much more clear.

A LOT of it is just common or garden misogyny, in my opinion. Generally speaking, men don’t like women, and think of them as being there for the convenience of men. Whether it’s picking up their socks, wiping their piss from the loo seat or being convenient sexual vessels.

You can’t find everyone Andrew/ Epstein attended parties with and ask them if they knew anything

To add- If anything I strongly expect Naomi Campbell is more likely to have been a victim of men like them

The queen really has to do something

I wouldn't hold your breath, frankly. The Queen's seen plenty of outcries over her ghastly family and will no doubt see more, so the test will probably be how long it takes for this to die down

IMO it's only if it rumbles on to the point where it's doing real damage to the whole institution that we'll see any action

To add- If anything I strongly expect Naomi Campbell is more likely to have been a victim of men like them
NC is with her then fiance Flavio Briatore who also had a relationship with Heidi Klum He's the man with white hair and coloured glasses.

IMO it's only if it rumbles on to the point where it's doing real damage to the whole institution that we'll see any action

By then it may be too late though.

Andrew is 59 and even aside from all this nasty Epstein business, has never been popular. What great loss would it be to The Firm if he were to be quietly 'retired'? There are more than enough younger royals to take over the hand shaking and tree planting duties. It's very hard for anyone to respect the institution of monarchy when someone like this is allowed to represent it and suffer absolutely no consequences for what he has done. Because regardless of whether or not he has committed a crime, his willing association with a convicted sex offender is more than enough for him to be no longer considered suitable to take on a role in British public life.

I thought PA’s face was a picture when the name John Brockman came up

Like a rabbit caught in the headlights

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/aug/22/prince-andrew-epstein-foot-massage

Taking a quick inventory of other European royals...apart from the spanish ones who were in shady property business carry on. In the main, they seem a harmless, even natured lot. The Monaco lot ...that Albert guy got up to something but I dont clearly remember.
Anyway. The rest seem to have had fairly normal childhoods and none of of the starry eyed hysteria around them that The Windsors seem to attract/create. In fact the Scandinavian lot are way better looking and charming than the house of Windsor.
Have the RF been on a pedestal here that the other European royal houses have long since stepped down from?

I didn’t mean at her 40th birthday derxa I meant in her earlier modelling days

Jean luc Brunel was known for only getting jobs for the models who kept his powerful friends company and he obviously wasn’t the only one at it q

The Monaco lot! Don’t you remember Charlene allegedly trying to run away from marrying Albert and being returned by total protection officers under duress? And his love children! I can’t think of any non dodgy royals really

merrymouse: I think the problem is the institution, not the upbringing. How do you avoid giving your children a sense of entitlement if you are literally bringing them up to be princes and princesses? How do you give them a sense that everyone has equal worth if you are also trying to explain why some people are called 'your royal highness'?

I agree and have said elsewhere that I think the whole basis of it is dysfunctional, now more than ever and I think those perpetuating it - e.g. William and Kate, with their kids - is not mentally healthy. Yes, they'll have the hangers-on, the people toadying around them, telling them they're special, never questioning them and I don't think that's a healthy environment to allow your kid to grow up in - i.e. "yes, you're special George because one day you'll be a king but you mustn't lord it over anyone at school because they won't like you". "yes, Charlotte you are a real princess but it doesn't mean you're better than those little girls" etc.

It's based on the fact that they do think they're special, that they are entitled to more, that they do deserve the plum jobs with no experience (Andrew the UK trade envoy, Harry president of the commonwealth trust etc!). It's outdated, grotesque and nauseating.