Prince Andrew

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I haven’t watched the interview, but heard reports of the content. I just find it unbelievable he claims he can’t remember meeting a woman he had his arm around! Despicable. Does anyone believe him?

I didn't watch this but have just read through the transcript .I think he's telling the truth .
I think he's an idiot ,isolated from the real world by his privelege .And a party animal .

I love this

EM For the record, is there any way you could have had sex with that young woman or any young woman trafficked by Jeffrey Epstein in any of his residences?

No and without putting too fine a point on it, if you're a man it is a positive act to have sex with somebody. You have to have to take some sort of positive action and so therefore if you try to forget it's very difficult to try and forget a positive action and I do not remember anything. I can't, I've wracked my brain and thinking oh… when the first allegations, when the allegations came out originally I went well that's a bit strange, I don't remember this and then I've been through it and through it and through it over and over and over again and no, nothing. It just never happened.

He had to wrack his brain ? Was he such a philanderer that he had to wrack his brain to try and isolate episodes ? Surely one would say ,no of course I don't engage in casual sex ,not with anyone and therefore not with her .Or at least casual sex is rare for me a la Windsor Pizza party .

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/theroyalfamily/7782958/Prince-Andrew-and-the-Kazakhstan-connection.html

This was Andrew's life in 2010. Wife selling his name for cash and facing bankruptcy. Selling his assets to dodgy people for strange amounts of money.

He's guilty as fuck, and genuinely doesn't remember because he does, or did, this sort of thing all the time. He doesn't get why it's a big deal and sadly, there are plenty of people around who would agree with him.

BiL is exactly the same. Same age, two DDs, sex habit with very very young women whom he pays to do things that most of us don't want to do. Entitled, arrogant, repulsed by women of his own age. Do his friends care? Nope. Do people think SiL is over reacting by throwing away 35 years of marriage, lovely lifestyle etc? Yes.

In our recent experience as a family dealing with this shit, one of the hardest things to come to terms with is that the outrage and approbation that you might expect would come in the wake of such revelations just hasn't happened.

So many were in thrall of Epstein (I read about that a while ago). Goodness only knows what it is about people like him that they can exert such power.

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Yes, that was particularly telling Bertrand

It defies normality

I mean, because I don't have a penis, and therefore presumably a passive receiver,, I barely remember ever having had sex at all

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/theroyalfamily/8365020/Duke-of-York-appealed-to-Jeffrey-Epstein-to-help-Duchess-pay-debt.html

This report says that the point of the D of Y's visit was to ask Epstein for money when he stayed with him in 2010, (again, why could were they struggling to find £15k?) but he is now asking us to believe he was there because he was 'too honourable'?

Re the rumours that PA is wanted for questioning by both the French and US authorities but the Queen put a block on it - surely even monarchists must now have doubts about their admiration for this family.
I feel so sorry that the victims in this are vanishingly unlikely to get justice.

He just oozed privilege and a sense of entitlement.

He apologised for possibly sounding "grand" when saying he had always been surrounded by people, by "staff". He said that when at Epstein's NY house it was no different for him to be constantly surrounded by people coming and going. For someone with his mindset, being presented with a young girl for sex was probably just like employing another pleb, the ones who clean his home, polish his shoes, book his flights etc.

Except of course in this case he also got the pleasure of performing a "positive act." Such a disgusting phrase. So he thinks he'd remember sex with a certain person because males have to get an erection? Whereas of course the female could just lie there watching telly or doing her nails, so could completely forget that it happened.

I don't think he cares very much about the opinion of the people watching the interview. He probably does however about that of his mother and daughters. The fact he has to live with the thought that they may not believe him, whatever they say to his face, is probably the only justice that will be done in this case.

The Queen needs to remove Andrew’s “diplomatic immunity”
This rotten apple needs to be removed from the barrel, and send out a clear message that there is no more noblesse oblige.

They sold Sunningdale for 15 million, 3 million more than the asking price, to a Kazakhstan millionaire business man Andrew is friends with....

I'm sorry to hear about your brother-in-law Josephine☹️😟 I suppose his friends are enablers because people tend to have friends who are share their beliefs and attitudes?
I do feel that people like him are increasingly out of step with wider society though?

Bertrand, the BBC has specifically stated that there was no advance discussion of the questions and they were not agreed in advance.

I thought Maitlis' tone was perfect - polite but not deferential, firm and absolutely precise.

And she let him speak without interrupting, which was where he did the most damage to himself.

I do think she should have gone in harder on the friendship with Ghislaine Maxwell - why was she invited to the Palace earlier this year when there are all these allegations about her procuring girls for Epstein???

The photo with his arm around her looks like one of millions where someone asks a celeb soft a selfie. He must meet thousands of similar people doing his 'job' not surprising he doesn't remember one from many years ago. Not saying the girl is a liar and wasn't abused, but it's all very circumstantial.

Saying that I don't like him and think he is a waste of space.

I think in general it's very interesting to see how things which are "open secrets" gradually come back into public view after being suppressed. As with Saville, it's not that there wasn't any evidence at the time, it's the scale of the amount of evidence that is absolutely already out there and people were aware of at the time.

Yet it's always presented as "oh we are only just putting the bigger picture together now with the benefit of hindsight".

There are lots of methods to ensure that facts that are generally known in certain circles are suppressed, and the revelation of these methods and how many people are involved, is just as shocking as the events themselves, I think.

Andrew, Trump, Boris.. How the hell have these over privileged white males got away with so much over the years?
Have we got no voice at all!!!

To answer myself

MONEY PLAIN AND SIMPLE

he sees women as passive recipients of men's actions

@ssd

Well you say it yourself

"privileged white males"

I think he's under so much pressure because he refusing to face questions by the authorities, that his arrogance, entitlement and isolation led him to believe that if he did this interview, controlled its tone, he would be able to simply put this to bed.

The fact he handed it so badly, with contradictory non sensical answers is on him totally.

For example :

I'm not his close friend, I'm Ghislaines, but I had to go stay with him to tell him I wasn't going to be his friend anymore rather than speak on the phone. I stayed for four days and had a special dinner because it was convenient.

Or even though I'm senior royalty where any premises i stay at it security vetted in advance, as are the close guests staying with me, I had no clue there was loads of young trafficked women there and thought they were all staff, because you know, I live in a palace.

Or I couldn't possibly have been at tramps in London at midnight, because I was at pizza express at 5 in Woking.

Emily did very well considering the limitations she would have had imposed on her. Paxman would have got a refusal, far too forensic an interviewer. Jeremy Kyle's free though for a follow up.

Boris Johnson was effusive in his praise and sympathy for Prince Andrew in 2015. Check out the one minute video below. Whether it’s jist typically atrocious judgment from Johnson or just the establishment pulling together as they are want to do when under pressure, who knows.
www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2015/jan/06/boris-johnson-defends-prince-andrew-video

I would guess the point of asking the exact same questions was to make sure that (a) any discrepancies in the answers would be highlighted and (b) so that he couldn't say later that he had missed or not understood the question. It's a technique she uses often.

I agree that his relationship with GM was glossed over and actually that's where the interesting questions still lie.

If the past catches up with a fair number of 1970s/80s rock gods then any RF transgressions will look as innocent as a children's party in a pizza house. They must have their lawyers on speed dial.