Would you vote Labour if you earned over £80,000?

[NoMansGE]

When doing more research on labours tax policies DH and I noticed that this starts from salaries of £80,000. This would effect our household as that is DHs salary. We both agree with their campaign for 'no more billionaires'.. but we aren't billionaires. We are a normal family who live a comfortable but far from luxury lifestyle. We're both torn how to vote, as it would usually be labour.

I earn more than £80k and have in the past voted labour. I don't in principle have a problem with paying more in tax although I do wince at the more than £300 a month that that tax calculator is suggesting - partic as DH would also pay the same or more. That would probably mean we would have to forego our one foreign holiday a year. I'm not expecting that anyone has much sympathy for me and I could afford to have a foreign holiday but not if I want to eg save for private secondary for my kids, have a high quality well paid and looked after nanny and save for my future/old age (as I am not expecting any state pension when I retire).

But I have major issues with the way that the labour party has developed over the past number of years. The anti-Semitism, the stupid flip-flopping policy on Brexit, renationalising everything and the dog at a time when we need some sort of stability and reinvestment in the basics. If they properly invested in education and health care, sorted the ticking time bomb of social care coming up over the next 10-20 years without totally screwing me over then I would consider it. The racism is still pretty hard to stomach though and is a total indictment of the party

@MrsMaiselsMuff

No one is ignoring the antisemitism issue, but most of us can keep it in perspective. It is a societal issue, and it is far more prevalent amongst those with far right views.

We are talking about a party whose LEADER and all of his cronies are actively, strongly anti-Jewish, & have deliberately hounded Jews out of the party (both members & MPs).

Why do you think the fact that there is also antisemitism on the far right makes this OK?

I have previously offered to report any Labour members that posters know to be antisemitic, and offered for MN members to message me with any information they want looking into. I didn't receive one message. Which makes me think, not that it doesn't exist (it does), but that certain people have far more interest in shouting about it than actually taking action.

Sorry, what makes you think this is your job?? The EHRC is already conducting a formal investgiation into Labour's institutional antisemitism.
www.equalityhumanrights.com/en/inquiries-and-investigations/investigation-labour-party

If you were genuinely interested in finding out about the extent and extremity of antisemitism in Labour, and how it is completely inherent within the leadership now, here are some starting points:

Labour Antisemitism Mapping Project
labourantisemitism.wixsite.com/lamp

Community Security Trust report into online antisemitic hate:
cst.org.uk/news/blog/2019/08/04/engine-of-hate-the-online-networks-behind-the-labour-partys-antisemitism-crisis

Jewish Labour Movement (which has been part of Labour for over 100 years) cannot campaign for its OWN leadership - this has never happened before
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-corbyn-general-election-jewish-affiliate-boycott-leadership-a9178326.html

Chairman of Scottish Labour party cannot support it due to antisemitism:
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ex-chairman-jamie-glackin-deserts-labour-until-antisemitism-dealt-with-v8w5mjtg8

Just a few more among many, many thousands of examples.

@MrsMaiselsMuff

No one is ignoring the antisemitism issue, but most of us can keep it in perspective.

And sorry for the fact that apparently, being concerned that a party that actively hates me, my family, & my community, & that does not believe we belong in this country, might take power means I don't have the proper 'perspective'.

Combined income of 125k here and voting Labour. With gritted teeth, mind, as I'm Jewish, but needs must tbh - brexit (or preventing brexit) is more important than anything else right now.

@SiriusBlackandhisHippogriff
I am also massively opposed to Brexit. Two points:

1. Labour have not even said that they are opposed to Brexit. Corbyn is and has always been hugely anti-Europe.

2. It's not going to make any difference to you whether or not Britain is in Europe if you and your family (and mine) are no longer able to remain safely in Britain.

@Dongdingdong

Anyone who goes to state school on a regular basis in the right uniform is privileged. Anyone who goes to university is privileged. Anyone who is "bright" by dint of genes, good teachers, being born the right right side of Christmas is privileged.

This would effect our household as that is DHs salary. We both agree with their campaign for 'no more billionaires'.. but we aren't billionaires

Do you not realise that the tax argument makes you sound so incredibly selfish?

If I earned over 80,000, it certainly wouldn't be a factor.

At the moment, I am agonising over whom to vote for, but the problem is absolutely not tax. My problem is I live in a two-horse seat, and I can pick from the "hostile environment" Tories, whose actions had a direct effect on my family as the daughter of a Windrush-era Commonwealth immigrant or Labour, whose Jewish MPs feel bullied out of the party. I can't vote Tory, Lib-Dem vote will be wasted, and I don't want to endorse anti-semitism.

I don't know what the fuck to do.

I agree with pp antisemitism is along with other forms of racism/ bigotry/ intolerance a societal issue. And yes it seems more prevalent amongst right wing organisations. Germany and other European Countries are having a lot of trouble with those at the moment, and we have the anti immigration brigade here who believe all our social issues are due to “foreigners”

I don’t believe you can vote for any political party that doesn’t have some members with downright dodgy views. Each party will have bad apples.
But I could not live with myself if I voted this Government back in after what they have done to our
NHS
Schools
Disabled
Most vulnerable members of society
Oh and I will never forgive them for that fucking referendum!!!

As I said before I will vote Lib Dem simply to try and stop Brexit.

Nope, no way. I say that as a previous labour supporter. It’s their other policies too though

DH earns more than £80k, though I don't. Prospective tax increases wouldn't stop either of us from voting labour - we are both primarily anti-Tory voters (DH works in the NHS and the Tories are not popular!) and will vote for the party that looks most likely to displace our Tory MP.

Agree with the point that others have made that essentially, very few of us feel well off, even if we're not actively struggling. Most of us tend to think 'high earner' means someone earning more than us.

AlphaBravoCharlieDelta

Official Labour policy is a second referendum. BoJo is going for hard brexit. Lesser of two evils.

It's not going to make any difference to you whether or not Britain is in Europe if you and your family (and mine) are no longer able to remain safely in Britain

Naturally but if by that you mean do I think Jews will not be welcome in a Corbyn led Britain then I'm afraid I don't agree with you.

I do not like Corbyn. I think he is anti semitic and misogynist.

I do not like BoJo. I think he is racist and misogynist.

But there you go, what can you do. I desperately want to remain in the EU. If BoJo and the tories had promised a second ref and Labour hadn't, I'd be voting tory, for the first time ever.

Brexit is honestly all that matters to me right now. We can undo Corbyn, we can't undo Brexit.

I'm in an extremely safe labour seat anyway, so tbh in my case it won't make much difference.

Yes. I did earn over £80k and earn just shy of that.

I’m not bothered about the extra tax because it won’t put me on the breadline.

But I would like more taxes towards wealth.

Anyone who goes to state school on a regular basis in the right uniform is privileged. Anyone who goes to university is privileged. Anyone who is "bright" by dint of genes, good teachers, being born the right right side of Christmas is privileged.

Rubbish. Some people who are very bright grow up in abject poverty - they're not privileged at all, just happen to be very clever.

I’m happy to pay more in tax. I believe in public services and I accept as a higher earner I should pay more to support these, and do so willingly. This is a different issue to me than sorting out the gross inequality and billionaires/millionaires’ financial contribution.

Agree with the point that others have made that essentially, very few of us feel well off

I don't understand this viewpoint. Of course it's all relative, but if you're a high earner with a lovely house, holidays every year and your kids in private school, how can you not feel well off? If you honestly don't then perhaps it's time to look around you and really, truly appreciate how tremendously lucky you are, what you do have and how you are in fact very well off compared to the vast majority of the population.

Sometimes I don’t feel “well off” but I don’t worry about food or mortgage bills - so actually I’m in a stable position unlike millions of others 🤷🏻‍♀️

I trust nobody. All politicians are all liars and only care about getting rich
I'm gonna spoil my vote by drawing tits and a fanny because there's no way I can vote for any of those cunts

Until last year I earned 100k+ per annum and had happily paid 45% tax as a labour voter - and would again.
It always amused me that as I higher rate. Taxpayer every budget gave me a double bonus - I benefit from the increase in higher rate tax threshold but also from the lower rate threshold.
What insanity was it that all through "austerity" the higher rate threshold was increased?

re Jewish chronicle & anti-semitism - does this article clarify anything?
www.thelondoneconomic.com/opinion/who-is-afraid-of-jeremy-corbyn/07/11/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

If we want a decent National Health Service free at the point of delivery for everyone then we have to pay for it. Anything less doesn't seem to me to be civilized in a first world country. I don't want to be part of a country or a system where we have the haves and have nots when it comes to serious illness. We are already far down the list when it comes to first world countries survival rates for Cancer. No-one know when...probably not if ...you or someone in your family...is going to need very expensive treatment. When it comes to health, high taxation is the price we pay for looking after everyone. I for one am prepared to pay it.

I don't earn a fortune, I'm around the £30k mark but own my own home (mortgaged). Looking at Labour I'm concerned with their fiddling about regarding home owners- to me it looks like I'll be punished.

Oh and I really don't understand what 'perspective' there is to be had regarding antisemitism.

All politicians are arseholes.

I do and yes I am

@DuchessMustard I want to tell you that non-Jewish people are aware of antisemitism and have been concerned about how a line has been crossed in our society. Certainly, many older members of communities who might come from a minority background will recognise this. I want to tell you that you are not alone and will not be left alone and isolated and I know many, many people who feel the way I do. x