Why are some Labour voters in denial about JCs endorsement of party wide anti-Semitism

[Rainbowhairdontcare]

I'm in a tactical vote group on FB. There was a fairly civilised discussion about JC when I said as a Jew I can't vote for him, nor any of the members of the small community where we live.

Then I got told off for buying the "fear mongering biased media".

I've read and heard what he's said. As a Jew I can clearly see it as anti-Semitism. It baffles me that people are still in denial about it.

For clarity, I’m not a Labour ‘supporter‘, but I have voted Labour in previous general elections for tactical reasons. This time I won’t.

SirVix

Same here, but I am voting Labour without hesitation and without any fears for myself or family despite the constant media attacks on Corbyn. In fact, I know we will all be a lot safer with a Corbyn government than a Johnson one

This is being posted on Facebook by Corbyn supporters I should add. So the fact they feel comfortable expressing sentiments like this , shows that Labour are absolutely not addressing anti semitism in the party, and that this sort of sentiment is common currency.

I can't agree with you about that at all. Such an extreme view cannot be considered in any way 'common currency'. Are you able to link to this facebook page?

I'm a self respecting person of Jewish heritage and I'm voting Labour. I believe in social justice, I don't like the Tories. I don't think for a moment that Labour are more toxic than the "hostile environment, Windrush" , Tory party and letterbox, piccaninnies, bum boys Johnson.

This basically sums up my view too. The Tories are hostile to everyone but their rich benefactors and far, far more racist and xenophobic than Labour has ever been by far. I see Labour as the best option to get the Tories out (only a couple of hundred votes in it where I am last time) and will vote accordingly.

noble I'm not sure which of the minority parties are capable of reining the others in. I think they all capitulate at the first whisper of power or money but I'm feeling very disillusioned with them all.

I think if I was in England and it was a choice between Tory and Labour then I would vote for the latter but only to try to stop the Tories because I think if they get in again (whether supported by the LibDems or not) then they're likely to decimate the NHS. And I think it will be impossible for the next party in power to resurrect it.

If only we'd managed to get PR for WM. Then there would be the possibility of working coalitions.

I think they all capitulate at the first whisper of power or money

They’ll have been taking notes from the DUP. A billion pounds and they still didn’t vote for the Brexit deal.

Yy exactly. The Lib Dems must be kicking themselves that they folded so completely on their promises when they were in coalition then the DUP come along and manage to manipulate fortunes from the Tories without giving them the votes they'd promised. The LibDems may be cut-throat enough to get into bed with the Tories but they're not nearly devious enough to get anything out of it.

ArseDarkly No I can’t link as it is on the personal page of someone I know.

I am not voting Labour this time for several reasons, anti-semitism being one. I intensely dislike Corbyn , so that is another. Labour have said they will bring in self id , parrot the TWAW mantra, and allow males on to all female shortlists, so there is that. There is also the fact that my labour candidate was rude and dismissive re my concerns about self id, while also being ill-informed and not terribly bright.
I should say I feel gutted about all of this.
I am politically homeless, I really don’t know who I will vote for.

ThatsMeInTheSpotlight
No, I am criticising Labour precisely because they are a party I would probably vote for , but will not vote for at this election. I have never voted Conservative.

SirVix yy I think the self-id debate shows how quickly all parties throw women under the bus.

I feel very conflicted. This feels an election that will have important consequences yet there isn't a single party I can vote for that won't involve majorly compromising on my values.

Yes, that is pretty much how I am feeling !

That and wondering when the grown ups will arrive and take all the current lot home for a nice nap.

Why is there never any coverage of the many left wing Jewish individuals and groups who support JC and point out that charges of anti-semitism are often used to smear Corbyn and deflect criticism of human rights abuses by the Israeli government?

Why are these Jewish voices not acknowledged? For example, Jewish Holocaust survivor and psychologist Gabor Mate said:
"The whole antisemitism charge... is simply a way to intimidate and silence critics of horrendous Israeli policies."

Also, why does nobody acknowledge the you.gov poll that proved that anti-semitism in the Labour Party was actually less than that in the Conservative party?

point out that charges of anti-semitism are often used to smear Corbyn

Oh I’m sure that there are people who don’t give a shit about racism who use it for political ends.

But if there wasn’t any ammo, they wouldn’t be able to use it, would they? Yet it keeps coming.

Why is there never any coverage of the many left wing Jewish individuals and groups who support JC

One that is wheeled out an awful lot is Jewish Voice for Labour. There’s a twitter account called JVLWatch that documents antisemitic activities by members of Jewish Voice for Labour.

That’s why I don’t pay any attention to them.

@noblegiraffe so are you saying Jewish Voice for Labour are anti semitic, even though they are Jewish? That doesn't make sense.

The people Jewish people and other minority people need to worry about are the far right.

are you saying Jewish Voice for Labour are anti semitic, even though they are Jewish?

I’m saying that they seem to have members who indulge in antisemitic behaviour.

There is barely a hair between far right and the far left.

I’m saying that they seem to have members who indulge in antisemitic behaviour.

In other words, yes, you are actually accusing a Jewish group of being antisemitic. So you're allowed a free pass for your antisemitism while castigating Corbyn.

There's no sense on this thread Willowcat, Jewish labour supporters have been told they have no self-respect and that Jewish Labour candidates are colluding with antisemitism. A long list of examples of Corbyn's support for Jews was ignored.

No one is going to be persuaded in either direction so it's all pretty fruitless. I am only hoping that the wider public will see right through this crude and heavy-handed smear campaign

In other words, yes, you are actually accusing a Jewish group of being antisemitic. So you're allowed a free pass for your antisemitism while castigating Corbyn.

So predictable, and not the killer argument you think it is. Pointing out that someone is indulging in antisemitic behaviour doesn’t become antisemitic itself just because the person is Jewish.

Here’s something that will blow your tiny mind.
www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/chair-of-clp-accused-of-bullying-luciana-berger-appeared-on-show-broadcast-by-david-icke-1.479784
www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/university-insists-academic-who-promoted-rothschild-conspracies-on-david-icke-1.479941

The Jewish Chronicle detailing the activities of one Dr Alex-Scott Samuel, a Jewish member of Jewish Voice for Labour.

Spreading Rothschild conspiracy theories certainly seems more antisemitic than reporting that a Jew spread Rothschild conspiracy theories don’t you think? Or is the Jewish Chronicle antisemitic?

I thought he was anti Israeli policies as opposed to anti Semite. Not the same thing.

According to your own putrid argument it's perfectly possible for the Jewish Chronicle antisemitic!

In fact, the Jewish Chronicle is a right-wing Zionist paper. I put it in the same class as the Sun, Daily Mail and Express as total rags fit only for cat litter.

Lyingonthesofainthedark that's it in a nutshell and the people accusing him of being antisemitic know that, but it suits their agenda to try to hack him down.

*for the Jewish Chronicle to be antisemitic

According to your own putrid argument it's perfectly possible for the Jewish Chronicle antisemitic!

You said accusing a Jew of antisemitic behaviour was antisemitic. Which it isn’t. So I don’t think the Jewish Chronicle is being antisemitic.

But if you accuse me of antisemitism for reporting that members of JVL appear to indulge in antisemitic behaviour then you must also think the same of the Jewish Chronicle.
Which makes you antisemitic because the Jewish Chronicle is Jewish.

So by your own stupid argument, you yourself are antisemitic.

I have no idea what you are talking about, which no doubt will add to your already massive superiority complex.

I do know that I don't believe for second you really give a shit about antisemitism, you just want something to beat Corbyn/Labour with and don't care what damage you do or who it affects.