Unplanned - Abortion Film **Trigger Warning** Title edited by MNHQ sensitive content*

[Mum2386]

Hi,
Last night I watched a film called Unplanned, which is based on a true story of a lady working within an abortion clinic called ‘Planned Parenthood’. The film itself brought me to tears on many occasions and it’s made me feel very uncomfortable surrounding abortion. I had an unplanned pregnancy with my third child but knew abortion wasn’t an option for me. I am quite shocked by the amount of abortions that still take place within our society. Does anyone else feel this way? I know we all have different views but i just wondered what other people’s thoughts were on this very sensitive topic.

You’ve proven my point about misogyny utterly beautifully.

So called "pro lifers" consider that abortion is baby murder (more or less). Opposition to baby murder is misogyny ? Again, interesting logic.

Although I kind of assume that people who are forced birth

No person forces birth on another, that is an abuse of language, used for rhetorical effect of course.

Taxes don’t work like th......... o

Come again ? People shouldn't get worked up about being taxed to pay for things they find utterly abhorrent ? Again, your logic is very strange here.

In all seriousness, if PP was being serious, then it really is worrying that people think like that. It is not obvious for example, that everyone pays for the NHS? That the NHS if not used to access abortion, would be used for mental health services should women be stopped from having the said abortions? That the NHS would be used extensively by resulting children who weren't aborted, because some people don't want to 'fork out' for abortions? Not to mention the numbers of women who go private?
Lord. Above.

idontbelievethisnsmeistaken

So many things are paid for from taxes that people don’t agree with, why should this be something they get to decide in? What about those against benefits? Those who don’t use the NHS? Etc it’s crazy to think of allowing people to pick and choose what their taxes go towards. What an odd view that really only affects women..

Are you as annoyed at "taxes " paying for prisoners ? Some of them are actual murderers you know.

I'm perfectly happy for my taxes to be used to pay for prisons and their operation. If I sincerely believed that the state had no business passing laws and putting people in jail, then i would indeed object to being compelled to pay for it. Obviously. I don;t understand your point.

By removing access to abortion (which you actually can’t, it results in illegal abortion and all the misery that results in) you absolutely are forcing unwanted births. Its disingenuous to claim otherwise.

No person forces birth on another, that is an abuse of language, used for rhetorical effect of course

Pro-life is absolutely forced birth. They don’t care about the life the child may have, only that it’s born.

It’s very to have a sensible debate with someone so lacking in any capacity for sensible thought.

Have you tried thinking harder?

So many things are paid for from taxes that people don’t agree with, why should this be something they get to decide in

As others have said

idontbelievethisnsmeistaken You’re an odd one..

What about those against benefits?

I haven;t met anyone who objects wholesale to any benefits being paid to anyone, perhaps people who think they pay too much yes.

If you cannot appreciate the difference between the moral objection to being taxed for abortion and being made to pay for roads you don't drive on e.g....

I bet you also tell police officers,teachers, HCP's etc that you pay their wages when you're having a strop.

idontbelievethisnsmeistaken

You’d be gutted to know your (imaginary) tax is paying for HCPs giving incorrect contraceptive advice.

There’s a lot of twigs that people don’t like paying taxes for, but we all suck it up as being part of a functioning society. Pro lifers are not a special little interest group that gets to opt out.

idontbelievethisnsmeistaken Ahh, so because you don’t know any, they don’t exist? Okay then. Enjoy your bubble.

No person forces birth on another, that is an abuse of language, used for rhetorical effect of course

You are making a woman give birth when she doesn’t want to

You are forcing her

You cant talk about other peoples logic and not display any of your own

Pro-life is absolutely forced birth. They don’t care about the life the child may have, only that it’s born.

It isn't. There is no sense in which one person forces another person to give birth. It happens naturally and of its own accord. Clearly you and I (and the legal establishment) have a quite different definition of the word "force".

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It’s a shame, because there have been some very thoughtful posts on this thread, despite it not being started in good faith. Then along comes some thicko shouting about not paying their taxes to support feckless mothers to murder babies. I thought it was doing rather well for a thread about abortion. There is room for all povs to be heard, after all and lots of different points at which people draw their individual lines.

It isn't. There is no sense in which one person forces another person to give birth. It happens naturally and of its own accord. Clearly you and I (and the legal establishment) have a quite different definition of the word "force"

Removal of legal abortion is going to equal women having no option but to give birth.

I tend to go with the dictionary meaning of forced. Do keep up.

You are making a woman give birth when she doesn’t want to

Hang on now, you are giving me credit for inducing the natural process of labour ? Or perhaps "I" have nothing to do with it and nature does.

Idont why not have the bollocks to admit that you believe that 'abortion is murder' rather than referring to 'so-called 'pro-lifers''? And 'why should they have to pay for abortion'? Commit!

Hang on now, you are giving me credit for inducing the natural process of labour ? Or perhaps "I" have nothing to do with it and nature does

Oh believe me I’m giving you credit for nothing. You don’t seem very capable of anything quite honestly.

force women to carry a foetus in their womb until nature takes over and the birth process begins.

As you well know. You’re just trying to fill up the thread with anti-abortion froth and piffle.

Pro birthers attempt to force conditions in which a woman is compelled to give birth (and compelled to access abortion illegally). It’s sophistry to claim otherwise.

I agree saucery

I can understand where some people come from in this sort of debate even if are think they are completely wrong

But the taxes bit...fuck me

@idontbelievethisnsmeistaken so if you're hanging off a cliff and I prevent you from climbing up, when you fall and die it just happens naturally? Because it's natural to eventually let go.