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Unplanned - Abortion Film **Trigger Warning** Title edited by MNHQ sensitive content*

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Mum2386 · 20/09/2019 10:33

Hi,
Last night I watched a film called Unplanned, which is based on a true story of a lady working within an abortion clinic called ‘Planned Parenthood’. The film itself brought me to tears on many occasions and it’s made me feel very uncomfortable surrounding abortion. I had an unplanned pregnancy with my third child but knew abortion wasn’t an option for me. I am quite shocked by the amount of abortions that still take place within our society. Does anyone else feel this way? I know we all have different views but i just wondered what other people’s thoughts were on this very sensitive topic.

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ChardonnaysDistantCousin · 22/09/2019 10:06

Oh and wait till the penny finally drops that millions of people (babies) have been killed by the introduction of abortion

Abortion has never been introduced, Women have always done it and always will, and thousands have lost their lives from home/backstreet abortions.

Why don't you look at this from a different angle? With the legalising of abortion thousands women's lives have been saved and because abortion is carried out in a medical setting these women are able to have babies at a more suitable time, and these babies would not have been born had the women suffered damage to their reproductive system.

StockTakeFucks · 22/09/2019 10:13

What penny?
We know abortion happens,we know what it entails most of us are also able to research stats and find out exactly how many etc.

What fucking penny?

And when exactly was abortion introduced? Because it's a fairly ancient practice worldwide. Women used herbs and plants , tools/surgical instruments , trauma to the body and various other means for centuries to get out of a pregnancy. Women have died for centuries trying to just not be pregnant anymore.
Abortion is not new. There's no penny. There's no epiphany.

The only thing that changed is that in civilised countries they can now access abortion legally and safely.

StockTakeFucks · 22/09/2019 10:14

Sorry Chardonay cross posted.

StockTakeFucks · 22/09/2019 10:21

The first recorded evidence of induced abortion is from the Egyptian Ebers Papyrus in 1550 BCE.[5]
Many of the methods employed in early cultures were non-surgical. Physical activities like strenuous labor, climbing, paddling, weightlifting, or diving were a common technique. Others included the use of irritant leaves, fasting, bloodletting, pouring hot water onto the abdomen, and lying on a heated coconut shell.[6] In virtually all cultures, abortion techniques developed through observation, adaptation of obstetrical methods, and transculturation.[7] Physical means of inducing abortion, including battery, exercise, and tightening the girdle were still often used as late as the Early Modern Period among English women.[8]

It continues with ancient Greece, Romans,Asia etc.

For centuries every single civilisation and country, on all the continents have engaged in various practices to abort a pregnancy.

There was no introduction of abortion,it always was.

Soubriquet · 22/09/2019 10:24

I think it’s very obvious that abortion means a new life isn’t born.

But the world is overly populated as it is.

So I’m not going to be upset by abortion

MyNewBearTotoro · 22/09/2019 10:27

If you are 100% pro-choice/ behind abortion than the number of abortions a woman may have had shouldn’t come into it. If you’re judging women for having an abortion, think it’s a procedure for the reckless that should be filled with shame and regret etc then I’d argue you aren’t pro-choice. Pro-choice means women can make the decision for any reason and with any feelings (or lack of) behind. It shouldn’t just be a medical procedure for the rich - we don’t means test or charge for other medical procedures so why should we for abortion? I know a horse rider who has broken bones several times and is definitely not on the breadline but no-ones suggesting she should pay for her own casts because she’s been repeatedly reckless. Plus the UK already has 4 million children in poverty, taking free abortion away as an option will just increase that number as it will be the poorest women forced to continue their unwanted pregnancies.

Even if you don’t care about the potential effect on women of removing free abortion from a purely economic sense free abortions make sense to the taxpayer. An abortion is cheaper for the taxpayer to carry out than pre-natal care and a straightforward birth, and if there are complications then giving birth becomes very expensive. Plus then there are all the taxpayer costs towards raising and educating a child, and if the child is unwanted and ends up in care this becomes even more expensive. Abortion costs the taxpayer far less than birth.

It feels like many people just feel women who accidentally fall pregnant and don’t want to be mothers should be punished. They can have an abortion, but not free, and only one, and they can’t dare not feel guilty and remorseful and traumatised by it. Women can’t win. A woman is judged for having six abortions. No doubt if she’d continued the pregnancy she’d be judged for having six children. Nowhere do I see judgement towards the man or men who also contributed to these pregnancies or how shocking it is that a man would have sex without contraception knowing he could be putting his partner through another pregnancy and abortion.

Aaarrgghhh · 22/09/2019 10:45

Mum2386 I’m not the one being judgmental lol. That is all on you. Given your views and how you like to tell them to others I can assure you that your kids will find no support from you if hey needed an abortion. You would make your judgment known, I know people like yourself and they can’t help but look down on those that don’t share the same opinion.

bbgxd · 22/09/2019 10:51

A woman is judged for having six abortions. No doubt if she’d continued the pregnancy she’d be judged for having six children. Nowhere do I see judgement towards the man or men who also contributed to these pregnancies or how shocking it is that a man would have sex without contraception knowing he could be putting his partner through another pregnancy and abortion.

Im sorry but a woman having six abortions is absolutely irresponsible, I know for a fact healthcare workers push you to get contraception if you experience an unwanted pregnancy, there's no excuse there, you can't tell me all six were contraception failures.

I'd judge her as irresponsible for her own health but that's about as far as it goes. It's her choice if she wants to go through six abortions rather than getting contraception and there shouldn't be rations on the number of abortions because yes, as you said, I'd rather six abortions than six unwanted and potentially neglected/abused kids.

Sagradafamiliar · 22/09/2019 11:11

Are you judging the men as well? They can impregnate 22/7 whereas women can fall pregnant about 2 days of the month.

Sagradafamiliar · 22/09/2019 11:11

24/7* !

formerbabe · 22/09/2019 11:13

@Sagradafamiliar

22/7 sounds more realistic..gives them a couple of hours to recharge Grin

Sagradafamiliar · 22/09/2019 11:14
Grin
Aaarrgghhh · 22/09/2019 11:19

Oh and wait till the penny finally drops that millions of people (babies) have been killed by the introduction of abortion

Abortion has always been around the difference is with it being legal it becomes safer and women tend not to die. Also, I’m not an idiot I know that the embryos if allowed to develop would become a baby then a child etc but honestly? I’d rather have abortions take place than many more babies and children abandoned or abused. It’s cool though, I get it, as long as abortions don’t happen people like yourself couldn’t give a shit about what happens to the baby once born.

InsertFunnyUsername · 22/09/2019 11:30

Show me someone who when watches a film/reads an article about late term abortion thinks "God the father is so irresponsible, he should use protection" And I will show you a liar. Just another stick to beat a woman with Hmm

RufusthebewiIderedreindeer · 22/09/2019 11:51

My post will probably disappear

Could people possibly stop with the whole ‘i will be deleted/you can’t say you are prolife/i was deleted for having the wrong opinion’ bollocks

as quite obviously its not true

BertrandRussell · 22/09/2019 12:08

Yes, the number of things people say they aren’t allied to talk snot while talking about them at length is astonishing.

BertrandRussell · 22/09/2019 12:08

*ffs- “allowed to talk about”

bbgxd · 22/09/2019 12:18

Are you judging the men as well? They can impregnate 22/7 whereas women can fall pregnant about 2 days of the month.

Why do people act like women are saints? If a couple keep having unprotected sex and getting abortions of course their both stupid, but for a woman to put herself through the physical pain and risk an unwanted pregnancy, putting yourself in that vulnerable position... just do t get it. What if she went without realising and missed the deadline? She'd be stuck with the child, then what?Why would you do that to yourself?

I don't care what you do with your fetus. Both are stupid.

MyNewBearTotoro · 22/09/2019 12:22

For those upset about the ‘dead babies’, embryos are also created in laboratories by scientists and doctors. Some are created as part of fertility or medical treatments (Eg: IVF, genetic screening, options for cancer patients) and some as part of research. In the case of scientific research all will be disposed and even within fertility treatments many will be. I don’t see anybody worrying about all of these ‘lost babies,’ because honestly I don’t think most rational people view an embryo/ foetus and a baby as the same thing. I do understand some of the concerns and questions some people have around late-term abortions when a foetus is potentially viable outside of the womb, but
these are a minority of abortions and most anti-abortion people seem to view even very early abortions as ‘baby killing.’

It’s also strange to me that anybody could be upset about abortion and happily tuck into meat/ dairy and not see any issue with the routine killing of animals. Surely if we’re going to look back at anything with disgust in years to come it will be our treatment and lack of welfare towards living, sentient animals and not the safe, legal removal of developing foetuses from women who didn’t want to be pregnant.

JacquesHammer · 22/09/2019 12:27

It’s also strange to me that anybody could be upset about abortion and happily tuck into meat/ dairy and not see any issue with the routine killing of animals

Meh. Every life is a life until you fancy your Sunday roast Wink

Sagradafamiliar · 22/09/2019 12:33

Don't shatter their illusions, rufus. They're like, so radical and controversial and the powers that be can't handle the truth so they will be censored. Like, so teenagerish.

Sagradafamiliar · 22/09/2019 12:41

That's just more whataboutery, bb. What about making up more scenarios where the woman can be blamed and then tacking on at the end that they're both 'stupid'. Point proven. It's mostly the woman who gets all the judgment even though the exact circumstances of conception are unknown, yet always caused by a man and yet the man just gets an afterthought, 'yeah he's a bit wrong as well but I'm only saying it to make myself look I actually care'.
Anyone would think women love nothing more than a day out at the abortion clinic, having wrestled with the choice, going through the trauma (or not, it's not always traumatic of course), in lots of cases knowing full well that the man probably wouldn't support or stick around for a child which is what led to the decision in the first place, and yet she's the one who is judged.

Fraggling · 22/09/2019 12:47

Another reminder for posters not from the uk that abortion is illegal in Northern Ireland.

Also that many posters will have close connections to Ireland where abortion was illegal until very recently.

Just seen a few more posts erroneously stating its legal in UK. And that UK women won't really understand what its like for it not to be legal.

DoctorAllcome · 22/09/2019 12:54

@bbgxd
“you can't tell me all six were contraception failures. ”

Ah. I don’t blame you for believing this bbgxd. It is, after all, common knowledge that contraception usually fails because women are too stupid or airheaded to use it properly. But this common knowledge was based on faulty assumptions. Luckily, scientists have listened to women who have been saying over and over why am I so fertile that I get pregnant even though I am faithfully and properly using the best contraception? And they found that more women than they expected are actually immune to contraception.

Read below
Women who get pregnant while using birth control may carry a gene that breaks down the hormones common in contraceptives, according to researchers at the University of Colorado Anschutz Medical Campus.

"The findings mark the first time a genetic variant has been associated with birth control," said the study's lead author Aaron Lazorwitz, MD, assistant professor of Obstetrics and Gynecology at the University of Colorado School of Medicine.

The study was published today in the journal Obstetrics & Gynecology.

Contraceptives are not 100 percent effective but the reasons they fail have never been fully explained. Women are usually blamed for not using the medication properly.

But Lazorwitz and his colleagues suspected that there may be other reasons at work.

They looked at 350 healthy women with a median age of 22.5 years old and a contraceptive implant in place for between 12 and 36 months.

The researchers found that 5 percent of women tested had a gene called CYP3A7*1C that is usually active in fetuses and then switched off before birth. But some women with this gene continue to make the CYP3A7 enzyme into adulthood.

"That enzyme breaks down the hormones in birth control and may put women at a higher risk of pregnancy while using contraceptives, especially lower dose methods," Lazorwitz said.

The variant could be found during genetic screening.

"When a woman says she got pregnant while on birth control the assumption was always that it was somehow her fault," Lazorwitz said. "But these findings show that we should listen to our patients and consider if there is something in their genes that caused this."

The findings point to how pharmacogenomics, a relatively new field which analyzes how genes affect a person's response to drugs, has the potential to dramatically alter the field of women's health.

"Especially in light of the social, financial, and emotional consequences of contraceptive failure and the breadth of indications for steroid hormones throughout a woman's life-span," the study said.

Lazorwitz said the study may help spur the development of more precise medical tools that can help tailor treatment to individual patients.

"As more genetic data becomes available, clinicians may need to consider adding genetic predisposition to increased steroid hormone metabolism in their differential diagnosis for unintended pregnancies in women reporting perfect adherence to hormonal contraceptive methods," he said.

The study co-authors include: Christina L. Aquilante, PharmD; Kris Oreschak, BS; Jeanelle Sheeder, PhD; Maryam Guiahi, MD, MSc; Stephanie Teal, MD, MPH.

Saucery · 22/09/2019 12:55

The Isle Of Man too, despite recent reforms, still has a way to go.