Unplanned - Abortion Film **Trigger Warning** Title edited by MNHQ sensitive content*

[Mum2386]

Hi,
Last night I watched a film called Unplanned, which is based on a true story of a lady working within an abortion clinic called ‘Planned Parenthood’. The film itself brought me to tears on many occasions and it’s made me feel very uncomfortable surrounding abortion. I had an unplanned pregnancy with my third child but knew abortion wasn’t an option for me. I am quite shocked by the amount of abortions that still take place within our society. Does anyone else feel this way? I know we all have different views but i just wondered what other people’s thoughts were on this very sensitive topic.

You do realise it runs deeper than an abortion, that those who chose to abort, suffer from their decisions years after, many have said they weren’t given support other than to terminate their pregnancy, so in my opinion they never really had a choice if I’m honest"

No, I disagree. How can your speak for all women who have terminations? How can you say that women who abort suffer for years? For many women, the overriding emotion is relief, they did not want to be pregnant. Yes for a percentage of women there may be lasting emotions, but that isn't the case for many women. I want every woman to be free to make the right decision for her, without judgement or interference from others. I'm not convinced you agree.

Yes but it is funny how one side is basically I dont like it, it shouldn't be allowed and the other is whatever the woman decides

Because if it was just a case of someone not liking the idea of it, they just wouldn't have one and that's it, No debate to be had. You can dress it up as concern for women but it's more about judging women against what you would or wouldn't do. And like I said earlier, who cares

Because it didn't. Because you cane in here bemoaning that the number of abortions is too damn high. That people should take more responsibility. Having an abortion 22 days after conception(I didn't even fucking knew i was pregnant then). You actually asked "is it right to use abortion as a back up plan"!! Abortion is too relied upon. These are all your comments.

And now you're turning around and saying you never wanted to discuss the rights or wrong if abortions? Seriously?

Is it right to use abortion as a back-up method,

Direct quote from you. It is right? If that's not discussing the rights or wrongs of abortion what is?

Raymond - I’ve seen a lot of posts both on this forum and others from women who have regretted their decisions, not all women do regret it though, as stated above by other posters. As I said, it’s not really a choice if the choice you’ve only been given is to terminate.

Why didn’t my ethical choice stop there, I am talking about myself not everyone else’s choice

You are telling us what other women feel, that they will suffer for years. Other women are able to make their own choices, you have no idea how they feel about their choices. And they mustn't be judged for doing what is right for them

I know we all have different views but i just wondered what other people’s thoughts were on this very sensitive topic

Yet your last post to a poster says "seems like I hit a nerve" that's what you get with... Sensitive topics. Just say you hate abortions, Posters can either agree or tell you no one gives a shit and be done with it.

InsertFunny - Where did I say I didn’t like it, it should’nt be allowed, you’re making things up now. I said I didn’t like it and personally doesn’t sit morally right for me.

InsertFunny - Because the poster clearly was agitated after saying “I’ve had an abortion and don’t regret it” and proceeded to completely go off topic talking about wanking and sluts.

Lots of posts doesnt mean everyone, that is clearly nonsense. If you aren't here to judge, I'm not sure what you are here to do. You wouldn't have a termination, others would. Both views are fine, but that really is the end if the discussion.

Yes but it is funny how one side is basically I dont like it, it shouldn't be allowed and the other is whatever the woman decides

This. Because I am pro choice I've supported women (emotionally,sometimes financially etc) who wanted to keep their babies when no one wanted them to. I've hid a friend when her boyfriend wanted to keep her locked in his house and force her to have an abortion. Got a lovely concussion and a trip to a&e that I still don't remember for it.

I've also supported women when what they wanted was an abortion.

I don't speak from videos and the internet and oh I saw a movie once.

And I'll keep doing it, because it's about choice and about women's right over their own bodies. However you decide to exercise those rights it's up to you, but I'll fucking argue every single time so that women can have those rights,even if they think it's shit.

You know what.... easy to preach until you try walking in someone else's shoes. Well done, goody for you,

I also don’t think it’s right to say that every woman chose to have an abortion because they didn’t have a choice, do we know for sure that they didn’t all have a choice to continue with the pregnancy?

Does that mean that those that had unplanned pregnancies that continue with their pregnancies did have a choice? Or was it because they chose the latter because aborting wasn’t an option for them.

Your assuming that every women is forced into an abortion because there is no way out, what if the pregnancy came when they felt they were too young, lacked support from the father/family but that the choice was still there to continue with a pregnancy but they chose not to because the time wasn’t quite right for them, circumstances, ages etc.

Hazeyday - I did walk in those people’s shoes. A pregnancy came at a very difficult time for me but that didn’t change anything.

I had an abortion at 12.5 weeks once. Only because the father told me at the time that I would ruin his life if I had his child! Well I was young at the time, so I went through with it. But it has affected me mentally ever since! So he has basically ruined my life!

People have abortions because they've just started dating someone new and had unprotected sex, because they just started a new job and want to focus on that, because the father was abusive or simply because they do not want to have a baby at that time. I can imagine some go on to regret it, Some go on to think it was the best decision of their life. Thankfully I haven't had to make that decision but if I ever needed to, the opinion of someone who watched a film once wont matter to me. But it will to some people. But that is your intention OP. Otherwise your original post would say...

I couldn't have an abortion personally, But I support the right and dont want it taken away. Please discuss

I’m sure people have abortions because of various circumstances but it’s wrong to assume that they were faced with no choice, lots of people assuming they had no choice but to terminate.

I don’t think no matter how I would have worded my post, I would have still offended the majority of posters with my personal opinion.

My opinion wasn’t based on watching a film, it’s based on my personal feelings. Watching the film made me think a little bit harder about terminations as a whole, the film high-lighted the lack of support to women and the face they were ultimately faced with only one choice.

Not all women terminate because they don’t have a choice, they have a right to a termination if they choose to by law. Some are faced with little choice. Both are different in my opinion.

Mum I had to deal with anti choice people like you for many years before we had a referendum to legalise abortion in my country. It’s very obvious what your agenda is and as a pp said you’re now doing a lot of back pedalling. You clearly know how a thread on abortion goes. I see you

Well thank fuck your personal feelings don't have any impact on the law. What alternative is there to 'I don't want to be pregnant anymore' other than forcing someone to give birth, which is barbaric?

You do realise op that the man that will coerce a woman into having an abortion will do so even if it’s illegal, I’m not blaming any woman that goes through with a coerced abortion and feel awful for them but because it happens doesn’t mean the choice should be taken from others. Also, if it becomes illegal and the man forced a woman to abort, she has a high risk of dying.

@Mum2386 - I am not shaming anyone

I am quite shocked by the amount of abortions that still take place within our society.

what I don’t understand is where we have contraceptives readily available, then why are the rates still high.

Is it right to use abortion as a back-up method

So from that time [22 days] onwards having an abortion you are terminating that life of the fetus

Maybe abortion has become too reliant upon and as it stands is used as a safety net, when it shouldn’t.

Yes as in women use it as a safety net because they know if they choose not to use contraception and fall pregnant then the option to terminate is there for them

what percentage of those make up for abortions and what make up for those that don’t use contraception and rely on termination as their back up... that’s the part that is morally not right for me and the removal of the fetus from the mother’s body via medically or surgical.

Can we assume these were all contraceptive failures, or women that didn’t use contraceptives and got pregnant? If so, it shows that men and women still lack a responsibility for their own birth control.

it is lack of contraceptive in some cases.

Constantly pointing out their "lack of responsibility" as well as the comments above are judging in nature, and while probably not designed to shame, they do! There are a lot of women on here who have terminated for many reasons, and your constant insistence that they have not been "responsible" with their contraception is patronizing and damaging.

But you didn't come here for a debate, did you? Because you are not listening to, and are not interested in other's views. You came here in the hope of getting a whole pile of agreeing posts so you could feel justified in your "opinion"

You have no thought for the children born who were/are unwanted, or the parents who didn't want them. Do you help children who have been given up in such circumstances, or do you just like vilifying their parents?

The taking responsibility of your birth control is a crucial statement to make because it’s the reason abortion exists, apart from those situations where contraception has failed.

So abortion was invented because because feckless women "don't use contraception?" I think you will find that you are wrong. It exists because women are allowed a choice

@DoctorAllcome I don’t understand why some are assuming that a choice one way means you think all women must choose that way too.

That is exactly what the op is saying though...that every woman should "take responsibility" (short hand for "continue the pregnancy") like she did...

How do you know that the women are giving little thought and just going with the 'easy' option? You were wrong about the age stats.

"it is not my responsibility it is that of a consenting adult and one that understands that having sex can result in a pregnancy," - so you don't have an issue with abortion if the sex was non consenting?

I’m shocked that more males don’t use contraception.
They are fertile very time they have sex, females aren’t.

I’m pro choice and looking at the state of a lot of children’s lives, feel abortion is often the best choice.

@Mum2386 so what are you doing about it? You obviously think the number of abortions are too high and women need to take more responsibility. How are you supporting that?

Are you campaigning for better sex ed in schools?
Volunteer in youth centres?
Donate/support/volunteer in homeless centres, refuges,food banks etc?
Campaign for more male contraceptives?
Support women struggling with addiction,chaotic lives, MH etc?

What are you going to do about it?

Or does it all stop at watching pro life propaganda movies and hand wringing on MN?