Unplanned - Abortion Film **Trigger Warning** Title edited by MNHQ sensitive content*

[Mum2386]

Hi,
Last night I watched a film called Unplanned, which is based on a true story of a lady working within an abortion clinic called ‘Planned Parenthood’. The film itself brought me to tears on many occasions and it’s made me feel very uncomfortable surrounding abortion. I had an unplanned pregnancy with my third child but knew abortion wasn’t an option for me. I am quite shocked by the amount of abortions that still take place within our society. Does anyone else feel this way? I know we all have different views but i just wondered what other people’s thoughts were on this very sensitive topic.

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m.youtube.com/watch?v=SOS3jBy3bl4

Watch this and then come tell me abortion should be illegal. That babies should simply be born with no regards for circumstances or their quality of life. That giving birth is all that matters.

You can't ban abortions,you can only ban safe abortions.

This.

Woman-controlling is woman-hating.

As early as possible, as late as necessary.

NO ONE should be forced to give birth.

@Rachelover60 don't worry about it, I am the same poster you're thinking of I believe

@Passthecherrycoke can you tell me exactly which post on my AMA thread you're referencing? You do realise you're laughing about calling me an 'uneducated traveller'.

? I’m not laughing at all. I’m not going through a half deleted thread no, sorry. This post is about abortion rights not about you. So let’s just move on and hope for an interesting debate

You dont need to raise the issues around abortion as most women already know them, why not go and worry about children trafficing and unregulated childrens homes

@Passthecherrycoke oh we should move on now should we? I couldn't care less what the thread is about. You're being a racist pig and I will not sit by idly and allow you to be. I get enough discrimination in my life already, without being told my opinions are invalid because I'm just an uneducated traveller.

Pro-lifers only worry about that if one of the girls gets pregnant isadoradancing123. Then they’re all over it, talking about heartbeats from a bunch of cells days old and judging the mother for having sex.

We should move on, yes. This thread isn’t about you, Pinkyy so stop trying to derail it and get it deleted as a bunfight.

@Instatwat I would like to apologize to you. I re-read my post to you and it was extremely insensitive and I did not take into account that you are a real person with real feelings and that was extremely unkind of me.

@Saucery when I'm getting racially attacked then I'm going to make it about me. I see it necessary to defend myself. Now I have done that I will step aside to allow for the thread to continue.

@Pinkyyy your opinions are as valid as anyone else's. The fact that you have said such utterly disgusting, reprehensible, foul things to another woman who has been through an incredibly traumatic experience has nothing whatsoever to do with your race or ethnicity, and everything to do with you as an individual.

Anyone who attempts to link it to your ethnicity is not only promoting racism, but is also exonerating you from taking full responsibility for the utter abhorrence of the things you have posted.

Have you ever faced 10-15 dirty,abandoned,institutionalised children that swarm you as soon as you come in?

Have you ever had to pry a hopeful 4 yo little girl off you while she asks and pleads "are you my mummy? Did you come do take me home? Are you taking me with you"?

Have you ever seen children that were completely healthy at birth growing up disabled (mentally and physically) due to the conditions they were kept in?

Have you ever smelt a building with that many bodies in it,with too few carers , sweat,piss,faeces, disgusting food?

Have you ever had to leave all that behind, those children behind with their sad despondent faces, because it was just a visit,just some gifts,some donations...and not there to get them out?

And that was years after abortion becoming legal again,after foreign aid and adoptions,after international shaming and interventions.

@Rubicon80 I have apologised for what I said. I of course have my own opinions on things but the way I voiced them was unacceptable. It was not me who linked them to my ethnicity, it was @Passthecherrycoke.

@DoctorAllcome
You know, you catch more bees with honey than vinegar. If you actually wanted to change the mind of the pro-life people on this thread, it would have been possible if you (and others) hadn’t bounced around demonizing pro-lifers. I guess though it is more important to you to attack on anything other than abortion than actually try and convince them why pro-life is so damaging.

What a strange view you have. Why do you think I should want to 'catch any bees'? Abortion is legal in the UK because, thank god, our laws are made by people who have more intelligence, compassion, understanding of the world, and empathy than forced birthers do.

That's not a very high bar, admittedly, but nevertheless...

We - that is the overwhelming majority of people in the UK - don't need to 'try and convince' [sic] anyone who hasn't managed to keep up with the progress of law and moral philosophy for the past fifty years.

We don't need to try to suck up to you.

@Nirex
It’s truly convoluted doublethink to deny the humanity of the unborn child while also sympathising with women facing miscarriage who know very well that what has happened is not just the loss of “a bunch of cells”.

I had a miscarriage last month. I was about eight weeks pregnant, though the pregnancy was only around six weeks in terms of development.

I saw the heartbeat three times on three scans.

I passed the pregnancy into the toilet. I wasn't even sure it had gone until it was confirmed by scan, as I barely felt it, and couldn't see it among all of the blood.

What do you think that I think it was, if not 'the loss of a bunch of cells'? What was it then?

@Pinkyyy Rubicon80 I have apologised for what I said. I of course have my own opinions on things but the way I voiced them was unacceptable. It was not me who linked them to my ethnicity, it was Passthecherrycoke.

Yes, I know that you didn't link it to your ethnicity - others did that, and that is unacceptable.

I didn't see your apology to @instatwat , no. And it wasn't just 'the way you voiced it' - the actual meaning of what you said was beyond disgusting, not just the phrasing.

Pro-lifers think those are lives worth living, StockTakeFucks. I can see where they are coming from, when the child is there, however horrific the situation. To them, the possibility of that child is instant, the second the sperm meets the egg and overrides the autonomy of the mother, who just becomes a host.
I can see what they think, I just can’t understand how they can ignore evidence such as that posted by you on this thread.

Mind your own business is what I say to pro lifers muscling in on women's choices.

'No civilised society should* tolerate ban* abortion.'

Fixed that for you.

Is it that women have power over the potential life in their bodies that makes pro-lifers so rabidly irrational? Does it frustrate them so much to see women having a choice - who to have sex with/when/how much emotional weight that woman gives a shag, or not/whether to stay pregnant or decide not to stay pregnant?
It’s led by men, the pro-lifer movement. I suspect it’s the very old and basic envy of the sex who can carry and give birth to new life that pisses them off the most. So they try to legislate against it if they can and have plenty of willing hangers-on to coo about the sanctity of life etc.

This is what not allowing legal abortions for women looks like. I don’t ever want to see anything like this happening to a woman in this day and age. More examples are available but I’ll post this one.

'absolutely bullshit reasons.'

Do you work with these woman?
Well I do and I can tell you you are so far off the mark that you need to educate yourself and find some understanding and empathy!
Your views are unkind at best, ignorant at worse!

@StockTakeFucks when I was 16 (13 years ago),I visited a Bulgarian orphanage. To be honest, when I signed up for it, my mum told me it would be a horrible sight but I don’t think I really actually understood how bad those kids had it. I only spent a day in the orphanage and they were aware that we were visiting and so had ‘cleaned up’. Watching that video, it takes me back. I can smell the damp and mould in the dining room. I can smell the urine in the bathrooms and smell illness in the bedrooms.

There was a girl there who was 15. She hit me quite hard because she was just a year younger than me. She had been given some ill-fitting clothes for our arrival but she wasn’t offered a bra or knickers. Nobody had brushed her hair but I gave her a hair booble which she badly put in her knotted hair. I say nobody had brushed her hair because she had never been taught how to brush her hair, she couldn’t talk because nobody had taught her. She was rocking continuously until we turned up, then she hugged me for a really long time because she was so starved of affection. I must admit, I haven’t thought about that girl in a long time but I now wonder if she’s still alive. She’ll have been kicked out of the orphanage soon after we saw her but she lacked the skills to survive on her own.

I wonder what has happened to those orphans?

I am 100% pro choice. I think when you’ve had an unwanted pregnancy, that it’s not really until then you appreciate the fact safe abortions are legal and then realise how common they are. I know people who have had abortions at 6, 8, even 15 weeks and I wouldn’t judge any of them because NONE and them walked into that clinic happy with what they were about to do. It’s not an ‘easy way out’. There is no easy way out as you still have to go through something traumatic that will possibly stay with you and you’ll feel guilt after but at least we can get them safely and by compassionate nurses.

I think it’s rather misleading to use the term “pro life” to describe that group of people. “Forced Birthers” is a better term, or if one is not brave enough “anti-abortionists”. But calling them “pro life” is sort of letting them have half a victory.