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If you voted Leave, did you/do you want 'no deal'?

338 replies

KennDodd · 29/07/2019 15:43

No arguments or even debates about Brexit, not wanting to start a fight, just want to count the numbers in a very unscientific manner.
It seems any deal at all is quickly falling off the table, never mind the easiest deal in history.

If you voted Leave , do you want 'no deal'?

OP posts:
SilverySurfer · 29/07/2019 23:37

As a Leaver I've received enough abuse from remainers on here to last a lifetime, not forgetting the name calling, so don't answer questions about Brexit any more.

OP, why have you asked this question?

Firecarrier · 30/07/2019 00:30

Agree totally Silvery.

dellacucina · 30/07/2019 00:35

I wasn't allowed to vote at the time. I hopefully will have this right soon. I would absolutely prefer no Brexit.

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about this subject:

Milkywayfan · 30/07/2019 00:49

Hi all you lovely no deal brexiteers. Genuine question - what do you say to those in Northern Ireland? It will all be fine and breaking the Good Friday agreement is a small thing and won’t affecf anything or the troubles may come back and it is worth the risk (I know usually nice brexiteers who say the latter when pushed - at least they are honest). Real question - that is the choice we are making on 31 October which no dealers believe is the right one. I keep on remembering the Brighton bombing but maybe you believe brexit is worth the price

Milkywayfan · 30/07/2019 00:50

Ps silvery - is Asking about Northern Ireland like this reasonable? To me it is just asking where does your trade off lie?

bellinisurge · 30/07/2019 05:56

This thread has been an eye opener. I appreciate all the contributions- I actually do. In vain, I hoped that, like me , there were people willing to meet in the middle - I still am, btw, - but it seems not.

bellinisurge · 30/07/2019 06:10

Just discovered Janista lives in Australia so none of this directly affects them. Any no Deal cheerleading from them is as irrelevant as me cheerleading for Trump. I have a lot of US family but I don't live there.

Deathgrip · 30/07/2019 06:19

I'm afraid they are white hot with rage and things can't get worse....

I’m interested to know how you think Brexit (particularly without a deal) will fix this?

It absolutely can get worse and it’s going to. If you think things are bad for tradespeople right now, what will happen when the economy tanks and people stop doing anything other than essential works? When suppliers can’t get materials into the country and even if they can, the cost of them shoots up because the pounds drops dramatically in value? When the price of food, fuel skyrockets? Can’t access the medication they need to work?

I know it's come out many mn have vested interest in eu, they work for it, they have a partner from eu (who will be fine to stay etc) they have nannies from Romania, cheap labour from eu they need but white van man.... Trades people have been shat on and they are leavers!
Nope, none of that applies to me or anyone I know.

What you’re talking about here is cutting your head off so you don’t have to have your wisdom tooth out.

bellinisurge · 30/07/2019 06:47

"I know it's come out many mn have vested interest in eu, they work for it, they have a partner from eu (who will be fine to stay etc) they have nannies from Romania, cheap labour from eu they need but white van man.... Trades people have been shat on and they are leavers!"
Nope. Not me. Or anyone I know in real life who voted Remain . I live in a big Leave area so we keep our heads down.

Flyingquestion · 30/07/2019 06:53

OP, why have you asked this question?

It’s a perfectly legitimate question and the answers have also been an eye opener for me. Given that the question was about no deal, I am hoping that there is an equal amount (and more of course) of fervour on the “other side” because we are going to need it.

However, though this thread is depressing, I would say that now is the time to relentlessly campaign against no deal. We might have a wrecking ball government of personally ambitious, selfish, morality free liars and incompetents in place, but all is not lost. There are plenty of talented people outside government who understand what is at stake - many of them Tories incidentally - and who will be joining forces across Parliament to protect us and the economy from the ravages of no deal.

At our level we can keep the debate going, write to our MPs, march, join political parties etc.

There is no need for unpleasantness in any of this - but there is a need for clarity and purpose - and I sincerely hope the Labour Party wholeheartedly joins a parliamentary alliance against no deal.

There is too much at stake to give up now.

PurBal · 30/07/2019 07:02

Short answer: yes.
DH voted remain and said he would prefer no deal to "a continuation of this sh-- show".

Sorority · 30/07/2019 07:09

I'm interested to know from those posters saying we must stop no deal... What do you propose in place of it? Is it a case of stop and revoke, or stop and come up with an alternative deal etc?

Genuinely interested after seeing the LD's with their Stop Brexit tagline. If A50 was suddenly revoked by Boris what do you anticipate the outcome might be?

bellinisurge · 30/07/2019 07:16

Border in the sea/NI is a special economic zone. Then I would accept Brexit. Would you?

dellacucina · 30/07/2019 07:21

I think there should be another referendum.

onedayiwillmissthis · 30/07/2019 07:37

I voted Leave. If No Deal is the way it has to be, then ok.

Hmm

OP asks a question of 'Leavers'...Leavers answer.

Remainers (as per) butt in and do their usual fearmongering, spiteful, doom and gloom ranting.

And they (Remainers) say that we 'Brexiteers' are incapable of understanding a question

bellinisurge · 30/07/2019 07:41

"Border in the sea/NI is a special economic zone. Then I would accept Brexit. Would you?"
How is this doom mongering @onedayiwillmissthis ?

Flyingquestion · 30/07/2019 07:41

I'm interested to know from those posters saying we must stop no deal... What do you propose in place of it? Is it a case of stop and revoke, or stop and come up with an alternative deal etc?

My ideal would be a government which explained just how damaging Brexit is, and revoked Article 50. At the same time they would have to deal with some of the issues which caused the referendum result in the first place, notably IMO, the under investment in and neglect of parts of the UK.

They would also have to share honest information about the EU and what it does / how it works, how it benefits us, and put a stop to lying and disinformation both in the press and on social media.

This doesn’t preclude campaigning from within the EU to reform parts of it if necessary.

I am not particularly in favour of a second referendum because I think the result would still be very split, and that it would potentially be even more divisive than the last one.

Given that my preferred scenario is very unlikely however, I think we have to leave, but with a deal. Either May’s deal, which in the end was blocked by the ERG and DUP for nefarious reasons, or we ask the EU for a proper extension which we would use to reconsider some of our own red lines, in order to put a new proposal to them.

While this last is calmly being worked on, we (or leavers) accept that we are leaving when things are settled, and in the meantime the government and civil service also get back to important national issues which have had too little attention paid to them for too long now.

MaxNormal · 30/07/2019 07:44

DH voted remain and said he would prefer no deal to "a continuation of this sh-- show

Does he not realise that the shit show will only just be starting on the 31st of October if there's no deal?

Flyingquestion · 30/07/2019 07:50

My ideal would be a government which explained just how damaging Brexit is they will never do this of course because they have huge vested interests in leaving the EU, and the referendum was merely their way of achieving their own ends.

SaskiaRembrandt · 30/07/2019 07:58

Infact mn oft reminds me of aristocrat in French revolution telling peasants it will be much worse for them if they throw off thier masters.. They won't know what they are doing!
They just didn't understand for the peasants.... Civil unrest wasn't the worse outcome.

Actually, the French Revolution was very bad for peasants. More affluent people used them to overthrow the aristocracy, seized that power for themselves, then sidelined the peasants (deriding them as sans culottes) and their became a lot worse. France was plunged into decades of violence and instability.

SaskiaRembrandt · 30/07/2019 07:59

their lives

bellinisurge · 30/07/2019 08:03

Again, I voted Remain. I've suggested a solution which allows us to Brexit if we don't accept WA. People too interested in assuming I have a Romanian au pair ffs. I don't by the way.

MindyStClaire · 30/07/2019 08:08

Scanning this thread in disgust as I walk to work in Belfast.

Is anyone going to answer Milkywayfan's question?

bellinisurge · 30/07/2019 08:10

Apparently Johnson will be in NI having received a negative response in Scotland and about to get the same in Wales today.
@MindyStClaire , it's pretty shit that people are happy to play games with tbe border.

tomtom1999xx · 30/07/2019 08:13

As usual, remainers are taking over a thread aimed at leavers.
And they wonder why leavers don’t bother posting.

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