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If you voted Leave, did you/do you want 'no deal'?

338 replies

KennDodd · 29/07/2019 15:43

No arguments or even debates about Brexit, not wanting to start a fight, just want to count the numbers in a very unscientific manner.
It seems any deal at all is quickly falling off the table, never mind the easiest deal in history.

If you voted Leave , do you want 'no deal'?

OP posts:
Mixit · 29/07/2019 18:34

Hi I voted to leave and still want to leave with or without a deal.

ithinkiammelting · 29/07/2019 18:46

It was a NEGOTIATION. We negotiated a deal. Clearly not very well or in our favour, hence parliament putting its collective foot down.

They're not secret Go on then, a link to the actual negotiated document would be nice. Because I'd quite like to read it - all God knows how many pages of it - and I've looked and I can't find it.

bellinisurge · 29/07/2019 18:55

Thanks, op. I had possibly been kidding myself that not all Leave voters support No Deal.
As a Remain voter that is prepared to accept a Leave that doesn't mess with GFA, I had hoped that willingness to compromise cut both ways. Turns out, no.
And I am as fed up of this shit as anyone.

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about this subject:

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ithinkiammelting · 29/07/2019 19:01

Actually perhaps the negotiated deal was mostly OK but was deliberately blocked from being passed by parliament by those MPs who personally want us to remain in the EU, and will do anything to scupper the deal - including cutting the country's nose off to spite its face.

Or (get this one) the deal was negotiated by Remainers who did their damndest to make sure it was so bad it would never get past parliament.

It can't have been negotiated by rampant Brexiteers because the EU woudn't have agreed to it in the first place.

BoneyBackJefferson · 29/07/2019 19:03

bellinisurge

You are on a website where the middle ground on this is just not tolerated.

Very few moderates will respond to this.

FreshFreesias · 29/07/2019 19:05

I voted Remain but have been horrified at the pro Remain establishment shenanigans of the past 3 years so now I'm desperate to leave, deal or no deal.

bellinisurge · 29/07/2019 19:09

@BoneyBackJefferson , I must differ. The regular posters I've seen on here are up for compromise from an original Remain position.

Cinammoncake · 29/07/2019 19:10

researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/CBP-8453

There you go ithinkiammelting

Quite surprised you think it was some sort of conspiracy for this to happen. So it's EU's fault or remain voters' fault. Anyway, don't want to derail this thread, which is for leavers. Seems the view is to leave at any cost now.

Helmetbymidnight · 29/07/2019 19:11

no deal was hardly talked about before the ref. it was a million to one chance (bj) the deal with the eu would be the easiest thing in the world. (liam fox) leading brexiteers also said the brexit would not involve leaving customs union etc etc.

no deal is a disaster. what i hope now is that those who want it suffer the most with it.

BoneyBackJefferson · 29/07/2019 19:13

bellinisurge

I'm not saying that there are not posters on here that won't discuss, its just that there are very few and far between.

And when I say that there is little tolerance of moderates I mean tolerance of moderates from both sides.

Besides most of the leaver moderates were chased off the brexit threads along time ago.

Nesssie · 29/07/2019 19:17

@KennDodd I’ve already voted on page one but want to clarify your comment- I didn’t vote leave hoping for a no deal. I wanted a Norway type relationship. At the time of vote I would not have supported no deal.
However now I just want us leave, and no deal seems the quickest way for that.
Once we leave officially, we can start new agreements and relationships.

totallyrandom · 29/07/2019 19:23

Even within the statement "I am pro no deal" there are differences. There is a big difference between months or even years of serious preparation for no deal versus just leaving crossing your fingers that it will turn out fine as you have done some minimal contingency planning, blown a few million here and there. At the moment, we seem to fall in the latter category. If we are going to accept no deal as a nation because we believe that on balance the EU are screwing us over in negotiations, we really need a bit longer to prepare. At the moment, it still appears more likely that Boris is using "no deal" as a negotiation tool vis a vis the EU
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ragged · 29/07/2019 19:23

"There was a programme on tv just the other week where twice it was said by leading EU negotiators that the UK were never going to get a good deal because it would be a signal to any other country wishing to leave."

Which TV programme was that, please @hadthesnip2 ?

scaryteacher · 29/07/2019 19:27

What Sorority said.

I voted Leave in the full knowledge that no deal would probably happen, given the Commission and Council are theologically wedded to the project.

I'm happy with no deal if the alternative is no Brexit.

Cobblersandhogwash · 29/07/2019 19:29

I can't wait for all those leavers to get their no deal.

Because if they really understood what it meant, they would be scurrying back to vote Remain.

Clueless.

#suckers

hadthesnip2 · 29/07/2019 19:30

I cant remember the title, but was aired very recently. Inside the EU or something like that. Literally 2 weeks ago. Interviews with Barnier, his chief negotiator & a few other top brass EU ministers.

GoldenBlue · 29/07/2019 19:37

I believe that any negotiation would not be from a position of strength if we take a no deal off the table.

A no deal should be the baseline against which all negotiation is compared.

It's the worst case, and any negotiation needs to better it before it is approved.

I don't think the little we've heard about the negotiated deal sounds like an improvement on no deal at the moment, but details have been light so far.

scaryteacher · 29/07/2019 19:38

Cobblers Hell would freeze over before I voted Remain.

Cinammoncake · 29/07/2019 19:39

I don't think the little we've heard about the negotiated deal sounds like an improvement on no deal at the moment, but details have been light so far.

I've linked to it in my previous post, in case that helps. See for yourself.

Cobblersandhogwash · 29/07/2019 19:50

@scaryteacher I wonder what you'll be saying six months after no deal.

Can't wait.

ithinkiammelting · 29/07/2019 20:17

Thank you to those who posted links, I shall peruse them at my leisure.

Quite surprised you think it was some sort of conspiracy for this to happen.
No, I don't think it has happened because of a conspiracy, but they haven't exactly gone out of their way to tell us exactly what has been agreed, have they?

ithinkiammelting · 29/07/2019 20:22

@scaryteacher your link says page not found!

Dontbestupidagain · 29/07/2019 20:34

I was a remain voter and I would do so again. However I did consider voting leave from an idealogical perspective.

My biggest concern is that I find the political/well known figures who push for no deal Brexit are people with views I find abhorrent. Johnson, Farage, Aaron Banks, Gove, Rees Mogg, Patel, Leadsom etc are not people I want to represent me.

Gertie75 · 29/07/2019 20:41

I'd rather have a deal but would choose no deal over remaining.