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Please read me if you feel that committing suicide is 'selfish'

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wheresmymojo · 26/05/2019 09:42

This is slightly a TAAT but I feel it's such an important topic I wanted to start a new thread about it rather than derailing one this has come up on.

A lot of people feel that suicide is 'selfish'. Selfish because of the impact on family left behind, anyone who sees the suicide (if it's in a more public setting) or has to deal with the aftermath and anyone who might be directly involved through no choice of their own (e.g. train drivers).

I completely understand why it seems selfish.

As someone who has been suicidal many times (albeit only one unsuccessful attempt) I just wanted to explain why the person isn't selfish.

Once you get to the state of depression where you are suicidal you are really no longer yourself. You look like you, you talk like you, but you are not you. Your brain has been overcome with chemicals that mean your actions are no longer 'your actions' any more. Your thoughts are no longer 'your thoughts'. Major depression is like an alien has taken over your brain.

It's a long slide (usually) - you become less 'you' and more the 'alien' every day. By the time you're suicidal 'you' have pretty much vacated the building.

You can't see suicide as something negative for your family and friends or the pain that it will cause because all you can see is how much better off they will be without you. In a twisted way you are doing it partly for them, because you feel you're just dragging them down. You're making their life difficult and they'll be so much better off without you.

As for others who may find your body/train drivers/etc....when you are that suicidal you don't really think about them. Not because you're selfish but because the illness makes you have complete tunnel vision. All you can see is your pain and how much you want to die. You are not capable of thinking about the impact on people who might see/deal with the aftermath.

I guess that's the bit I want to make clear....you aren't making a selfish decision not to think about them, you aren't capable of thinking about them.

You're not in charge of your thoughts any more, the illness is and it just wants you to die and it blocks out anything that might make you think twice.

Sorry - this is an essay but I feel it's important to try and get across what it's like. I genuinely feel that by the time I feel suicidal I'm no more 'myself' than someone who has dementia might be 'themselves' just in a different way.

OP posts:
SignOnTheWindow · 27/05/2019 23:30

The problem with the word 'selfish' is that it has moral connotations.

When I was suicidal, I genuinely thought that I'd be solving people's problems by not existing.

SignOnTheWindow · 27/05/2019 23:32

Ah, I see that AngeloMysterioso has already expressed this somewhat better than I did.

HollywoodBoulevard · 28/05/2019 11:59

My father is an abusive addict following serious physical abuse from his own father in childhood. When my mum filed for divorce when I was a teenager my dad made me witness his first suicide attempt (overdose). He was then sectioned where he met a new woman (who was also mentally ill). After abusing her for 8 years she tried to leave him, so he made a second suicide attempt - he called me on the phone while he was doing it.

Fast forward a few years and he started threatening suicide in front of my children. I have felt I have no choice left and have gone NC. I have tried to support him and listen and encourage him to seek help but part of his illness is a compulsion to make me witness his attempts. Like a previous poster said, he wants to transfer his pain to me. I also found out that my dad’s father committed suicide (also by overdose) That has been kept a secret from me. I have empathy for the abused child that my dad once was, I have empathy for his mental illness and addiction but I have had to be brave and protect my own mental health (which has suffered - PTSD, OCD, anxiety) and the health of my children. As I cannot and will not allow them to be affected.

I suppose I do think he is a bit selfish if I’m honest.

treeless · 07/06/2019 11:30

Agree with OP. I currently have someone close to me who has had to deal with a barrage of shit over the last few years. His daily life baseline is difficult. He has spoken of suicidal thoughts. For those of you that have contemplated suicide, how best can I help him? He said he would have been dead a long time ago if it wasn't for his son. I'm scared that he may not have much fight left in him or that one one more bad life incident may tip him over the edge. He is going to try to get an appointment with his gp today. Can anybody recommend a decent counsellor in Reading, Newbury, North London or Brentwood?

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