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Lying child at the end of my tether

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PeachPrincess · 11/05/2019 08:48

I’ve been really good friends with one of the school mums since our girls started at nursery together. Our DDs are now 10.

I was worried about the mum for years as she was in a very controlling relationship with her husband that got worse and worse as the years went on. She finally ended the relationship last year.

Financially she’s been really struggling she works full time but has a low paid job he doesn’t pay maintenance. Every day since September I’ve been collecting her DD from school and looking after her for 1.5/ 2 hours until her mum gets back from work. The arrangement in itself is fine and I’m happy to help her out as she is a good friend.

I’ve been doing the after school collections for just over 7 months and I don’t think I can’t continue with it due this girls constant lies that are usually aimed at me.

Some recent examples are we went to a ice cream shop and we all had one but I wouldn’t allow her DD to have one. DDs new Guinea pig bit this girl, we apparently all made pizza from scratch but I didn’t allow her any and made her watch whilst we ate them.

Each time this girl tells her mum these lies she confronts me every single time believing her. The ice cream example mum had given me money for her DDs and then asked for the money back, luckily I’d taken a photo of the girls with there impressive ice creams. The mums response was she “must of forgot”. The Guinea pig lie I was called out on, we hadn’t actually got it yet. DD had said to the girl she was getting one. The mum messaged about being bitten and I said she was welcome to check the empty hutch the next day, she did and the response was “don’t know where her DD got that from then” I was also called out on the pizza example, I had bought pizza for our tea from the supermarket it was on the kitchen counter we hadn’t made them or eaten them so I sent her a photo of them on the side. Her DD “ must have been mistaken” it’s all the time and im sick of being constantly questioned/ accused of these things I never get a apology it’s just brushed off.

She’s constantly telling lies in front of me to her mum silly things like “it’s dress up day tomorrow” “I let my dd have a snack / drink but not her” every single time I pull her up on it in front of the mum and it’s brushed off and a excuse made for it.

Thursday I mentioned to both girls I needed to go into school and check if after school club was on for yesterday as the school had said it may need to be cancelled and we would be informed either way. The girl assured me it was on, DD said the teacher had said something about the club but she was chatting so didn’t hear what was said. Why I trusted her I don’t know, I get a call from school to say I hadn’t collected them. I got to school and questioned why we weren’t told, apparently the kids were told club was canceled on Thursday. I asked the girl why she had lied to me and she shrugged and said “i thought it would be funny” her grandparents picked her up and are having her overnight so I’m now waiting for a message from her mum for no doubt forgetting to collect them or some other tale.

I can’t continue this arrangement anymore as I cannot put up with the hassle of it. Am I right feeling this way? It’s caused a few arguments between me and DH as he has been saying for months to knock this on the head as he’s worried Incase she makes up some serious lies that we can’t prove.

How much notice do you think I should give? Also should I be honest with the mum about my reasoning? I’ve wimped out of a few situations in the past with her.

OP posts:
DaisyDreaming · 11/05/2019 20:16

I would be really worried for your DH, if the mum is annoyed at you for not allowing an icecream despite a photo of you all having them, what if she comes up with something far worse that can’t be proven either way

MumUnderTheMoon · 11/05/2019 20:24

I also wouldn't mention specific lies as invites an argument. You know she'll defend her. So just go with "I can no longer continue to pick up and care for x after school." If you must offer an explanation keep it general. "She has been caught lying too many times and I don't like that around my family."

woolduvet · 11/05/2019 20:27

A good message up to the example. I'd just saying the lying in generals and being challenged by mum has become too taxing/onerous

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ginpink · 11/05/2019 20:32

I couldn't be doing with this shit and would end it immediately.

thatwouldbeanecumenicalmatter · 11/05/2019 20:49

Hi OP you've been more than a kind and supportive friend which sadly appears not to be reciprocal.

Can I just add to make sure you keep any previous messages between you and the mum about the lying just incase you need proof in future that her DD has form for this (hoping you'll never have cause to refer to them but you never know!)

FrogFairy · 11/05/2019 21:54

The mum knows her daughter is a liar so I would keep it short and to the point.

I will no longer be collecting your DD from school so you need to make other arrangements with immediate effect.

sallievp · 11/05/2019 22:07

Well done op...keep us updated

Figgygal · 11/05/2019 22:21

What do you wNt to happen to your friendship now? If I cared I'd probably sign off with a message if I hope we can continue to be friends at the moment it's very blunt

Coyoacan · 11/05/2019 22:33

Glad you are ending this arrangement OP. I think your letter is the best. The person who is behaving the worst here is the mum. Instead of accepting that her dd makes up lies and getting help for her, she turning a very dangerous blind eye.

If just one of the things she accused you of doing were true, any decent mother would have already made alternative arrangements.

BreakWindandFire · 11/05/2019 22:40

Also, I can't believe that when you told her that Cujo the guinea pig didn't live with you yet, she came round your house to check the hutch was empty!

MitziK · 11/05/2019 22:42

I'd probably try to word it slightly kinder.

'I've been thinking about this for a while and I think [child] has told these stories because she's not happy being here and is trying to say that she needs her family. Obviously, I've been glad to help as much as I can in the circumstances, but I don't think it's doing [child] any good to stay here after school anymore. If there is anything else I can help with, please let me know as you're a good friend and I don't want you to think I don't care, but from now on, I won't be able to look after her.'

It's saying you're not doing it anymore, it's saying (in a way) that it's because of the child's lying - but it's not saying she's bad/mean and you aren't invoking the Defensive Mum Response. It might also be handy for her to see that her child has been affected by the abuse (albeit not that she's learned to manipulate her like her DH/P did) and could help persuade the GPs that they are actually needed at least in the interim until she can find alternative childcare.

JingsMahBucket · 11/05/2019 22:42

I’m also wondering how the daughter will react to the termination of the agreement. Hopefully she doesn’t retaliate and start bullying OP’s daughter.

HowardSpring · 11/05/2019 22:43

I was also in a similar situation - and it was awful. My DD was accused of doing so many nasty things - all of which I was able to prove were untrue - but only by luck. As soon as I knew what was going on I made sure my child was never alone with the lying child and that the child was never in our house, alone with us, out of sight of witnesses or her parents. Just not worth it.

(She was so bad she got a nanny sacked on the spot. Everyone knew the nanny from school pick ups/ nanny shares/playdates etc and we knew the child had lied but the nanny was better off out of it and luckily got another job very quickly)

Rainbowlampshade · 11/05/2019 22:46

Well yeah if you want to smash your friendship to smitheriness

How about ‘ after next week I can’t have dd, I feel really uncomfortable having her because she likes to tell a few porkie pies and it’s making me stress out too much’

People on here don’t care if you annihilate friendships

Contraceptionismyfriend · 11/05/2019 22:59

Why would you want to be friends with this woman?!

DearStalkerish · 11/05/2019 23:06

@Rainbowlampshade whilst I do see your point and on most posts of a similar nature I would agree, however, this woman is being a bad friend. She is well aware of her daughter telling lies and has (assuming I'm not missing bits) not apologised when her daughter was proven a liar, but simply said, "Welll DD must have been mistaken" or "I don't know where she got that from"

There is only one good friend here and that's the OP. The child's mother is not worth keeping as a friend.

Absolutepowercorrupts · 11/05/2019 23:07

Rainbowlampshades
This is a friendship that should be smashed to smithereens the mother believes that a woman she has known for 10 years is cruel and unkind to a child. Why the hell would anybody want to be friends with someone like that?

littleyellowpencil · 11/05/2019 23:34

Did you get a reply op?

JeezOhGeeWhizz · 12/05/2019 04:02

You'll never get any thanks from her and you are dead right to end this piss take arrangement.

Ruru8thestars · 12/05/2019 05:26

A good message op - don’t try to dress it up and make it too nice. Get your point across with no need for debate

YouJustDoYou · 12/05/2019 05:50

You're doing the right thing op. One day the lies might escalate to something that can't be proven wrong. That's when it starts to get dangerous (there was another thread a while a go with a very similar situation. Friend's son would lie about ever worsening things until eventually said the op had hit him. Ss or whatever it's called now got involved, believed the op. Op ended the arrangement then and there. The mother still refused to believe it was anything more than her poor son obviously being "mistaken".

CrumbsCrumbsEverywhere · 12/05/2019 06:04

She's lost a parent and thinks if she does anything to stop you from looking after her, her mum will have to instead. It's how a child will think. However, this isn't your problem to sort out and you're right, her mum should be 'telling' her shes safe with you. I'd give notice and tell her exactly why. See what her response is then decide what to do next.

PeachPrincess · 12/05/2019 09:18

I was dithering all night about what to send what would be the best, in the end I just sent the message I’d posted on here as it was taking up too much headspace. I sent it before bed. No reply yet.

DH is thrilled I’ve finally put my foot down. He’s hated the arrangement from day 1 as he saw threw her. I gave just a few of the latest examples but it’s a regular occurrence.

There has been many issues at school with her with lots of the other girls. Quite manipulative stuff. Luckily DD hasn’t been involved as they are in separate classes. It’s like a huge weight has been lifted.

OP posts:
Offallycheap · 12/05/2019 09:34

Good for you x

Pipsqueak11 · 12/05/2019 09:37

Well done Peach! It will be a relief not to have to put up with such nonsense in future