What's happened to Rachel Riley?

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What's going on with Rachel Riley?
She has done a complete character change and seems to be acting very bizarre attacking Jeremy Corbyn, Owen Jones over Twitter constantly and seems to get stranger by the day.

Yes, anti racism is supposed to be one of Labour’s main tenets, like tax avoidance is to the Tories.

I’m another who isn’t aware of Labour’s internal politics. What has Jeremy Corbyn said that’s antisemetic? I keep on reading about how the the Labour Party is antisemetic but how? And how is Corbyn as the opposition supposed to effectively tackle antisemetism when antisemetism and Islamophobia is so prevalent in society? I’m really confused

@TheRealBoswell the best way to stop antisemitism and islamophobia is to meet with the communities, talk to Rabbis and Imams, have discussions with the Board of Deputies and the Muslim Council, expel people from being party members when they are racist. It’s not that difficult!

Yes, anti racism is supposed to be one of Labour’s main tenets, like tax avoidance is to the Tories.

I think that has been debunked now unless you are liberally using the term liberally and including Red Tories in that

Owen Jones is a twat. Rachel Riley isn't.

She's a brave, forthright, opinionated, intelligent woman. Owen must hate her.

It’s about anti semitism within the Labour Party - things that have been said by Labour MPs, Labour councillors, Labour Party activists. The party had disciplinary processes in place to deal with this. They haven’t dealt with it effectively.

Imagine you work for a company where senior executives, managers and leading sales staff have repeatedly made sexist comments/displayed sexist attitudes. When people complain about individual comments that have been made, those that made them aren’t disciplined by those higher up. In fact, some of those higher ups say that those complaining are making a fuss over nothing. When anyone suggests that the company as a whole has a problem with sexism the stock response is that those speaking out are disloyal to the company and if they aren’t happy they should leave. When people call on the Chief Executive to deal with the sexism problem he states that he’s anti sexism but nothing changes with regard to how complaints are dealt with. Some staff suggest that it’s typical of women to cause this kind of fuss.

Replace antisemitism with sexism and that’s what’s happening within Labour.

Yeah the pretty little piece of fluff should shut her cute little lady mouth. Just how DARE she voice an opinion?

FFS! Twitter hates her, as they are so laughably left wing, and they LOVE Jeremy Corbyn. So she is being slaughtered on there.

Good for Rachel for calling him out. Awful man for so many reasons - the main one being he has single handedly ruined the Labour party.

Rachel Riley is a heroine, and the Corbynite mob who attack her on twitter are raging antisemites.

Their problem - along with Corbyn's - is their sense of themselves as "anti-racist" is so strong, and so closely bound up with their identity, that they are incapable of recognising the racism in the things they say and do.

When accused of antisemitism, all they can say is: "But I'm an antiracist, so what I said can't have been antisemitic." Cognitive dissonance.

RR is courageously taking on the minimisation and whitewashing of antisemitism in the labour party.

I for one do not believe Corbyn is an antisemite, but i think he knows that a fair percentage of the labour membership who put him where he is have at best a hostile attitude towards Israel, siding completely with the Palestinian cause. There is a shocking parallel with what Trump is doing in the states, albeit at different ends of the political horseshoe, by seeking to ignore or minimize abuse by his core support, as does Trump with his deplorable 'some fine people' comment about white supremacists.

And OJ? He has become a parody of himself. TBH i would not have equated a Nazi with JC, however I can see what RR was getting at. She was pointing out that according to OJ and a fair chunk of the far left deem in noble and deserving when political opponents are on the end of verbal and physical abuse, however when it is met out to your political allies, it is thuggery. Who the hell is he to determine when violence is justified and when not? Who made him the great moral arbiter?

The real question is - what's happened to Owen Jones?

I never agreed with him politically, but I did read his book 'Chavs' and thought he made some good points.

But since 2017 he has been totally absorbed into the Corbyn cult and will excuse anything Corbyn does no matter how horrific. He has become an apologist for racism. I'll never forgive him for saying 'Nobody was killed by a wreath' in response to Corbyn laying a wreath on the graves of the Black September terrorists. There's no coming back from that in my opinion.

@Katterinaballerina that is a great analogy.

People seem to support parties or causes like zealots nowadays. There’s no nuance anymore. You can’t say, no, I don’t like agree with that person’s politics but I do think they have integrity or yes, I agree with them on this but I really don’t like how they’ve handled that. Everything is absolutes.

I agree with Everanewbie. I don’t think Corbyn is an anti Semite but I do think he is anti Zionist and I think that there is a huge swathe of the left that sees all Jews as responsible for the actions of Israel unless they identify as atheist anti zionists. I don’t see those people expecting all Muslims to actively denounce Islamic terrorism or the actions of Saudi Arabia and call themselves secular before they’ll break bread with them.

RR can give as good as she gets and even more on Twitter. She along with James Cleverly celebrated the attack (was not merely an egg throwing incident) yesterday. She also implied that JC was a Nazi.
She along with some actress from Eastenders ( cannot remember her name) have allegedly been stalking 16 year old Rosie Lelliott, who happens to be a brilliant advocate for mental health. Classy indeed.

RoisinD maybe if you received daily vitriol because of your race or religion, you might not feel to kindly towards the perpetrators, and god forbid, overstep the mark in defending yourself?

She along with James Cleverly celebrated the attack (was not merely an egg throwing incident) yesterday.

The jokes were all made before anyone knew that the incident was more serious than had first been reported. For 2 hours the only news was that he had been egged.

She did not imply he was a Nazi. She was merely pointing out the hypocrisy of Owen Jones for laughing when one politician is egged but getting apoplectic when the one he likes is.

She also implied that JC was a Nazi.

Owen's tweet set a very dangerous precedent - it implied that violence against politicians is fine if they have bad opinions. Who's to say what other opinions Jones feels merit violence? It's a very slippery slope. Violence in politics should be condemned by all, no matter who it is directed at - anything else is vigilante action.

She along with some actress from Eastenders ( cannot remember her name) have allegedly been stalking 16 year old Rosie Lelliott, who happens to be a brilliant advocate for mental health

She did no such thing. Rachel Riley responded to a post Rosie had made downplaying antisemitism in the Labour Party with evidence of antisemitism she herself had received. Rosie then accused Rachel of bullying her, and Rosie's followers piled on and attacked Rachel (one or two even accused her of being a paedophile).

If Rosie can't handle robust discussion and criticism of her arguments then quite frankly she shouldn't be on twitter.

"Corbyn hasn’t helped matters by accidentally liking anti-Semitic murals, "

Funny that a mural that contained a depiction of an anti Semite is called antisemitic? Or that the mural was part of the occupy movement, not intended to be antisemitic?

"accidentally laying wreaths on the graves of terrorists""

Hmm, there were no terrorists where he laid flowers, people who may have been involved in an organisation, but not ones who actually committed any act - guilt by association x 2.
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accidentally calling Hamas his friends and

"accidentally saying Jews don’t understand British irony."

He said Zionists who attacked a speaker verbally after a speech didn't get the irony. He Correctly used the terminology.

This is the problem with all of this, its incredibly tenuous links repeated over and over incorrectly.

Even when Jewish people say that they don't hav e a problem with Corbyn they are told they wrong. Or when he speaks out against antisemtism he's told he does it wrong, by certain groups.

Yet behavior from other parties is much more blatant and dismissed by the same people making a fuss here.

Lets go look at the stuff said about Soros?

And, btw RoisinD, Rachel Riley and Tracey Ann Oberman (the Eastenders actress) are currently suing lots of Rosie's followers who made false accusations of bullying/stalking against them, so I'd be very careful what you say.

Corbyn decided the mural was antisemitic

‘This prompted Corbyn’s expression of regret, in which he added that the contents of the mural “are deeply disturbing and anti-Semitic. I wholeheartedly support its removal.”

Funny that a mural that contained a depiction of an anti Semite is called antisemitic? Or that the mural was part of the occupy movement, not intended to be antisemitic?

It doesn't matter what the artist later claimed his "intentions" were - if it uses centuries-old antisemitic tropes then it's antisemitic, end of story.

Anyone who doesn't understand the antisemitism problem in Labour needs to listen to this speech by David Rich

soundcloud.com/user-771239343/antisemitism-and-the-left-dr-dave-rich-house-of-commons-december-2018

It is wonderful. Completely opened my eyes.

Even when Jewish people say that they don't hav e a problem with Corbyn they are told they wrong

Yes, well, some women say they don't have a problem with being catcalled in the street but that doesn't mean it's not a shitty thing to do.

Even when Jewish people say that they don't hav e a problem with Corbyn they are told they wrong

And some women believe that women shouldn’t have the right to vote. It doesn’t mean they’re correct.

Everanewbie: Yes I have been on the receiving end of racist abuse on many occasions and on one occasion was physically attacked. God doesn't come into it for me. I did report it to police and it was dealt with in court. No I was never tempted to 'overstep the mark' in defending myself. As I said 'stay classy'.

LibbyLily: When the 'jokers' discovered what really happened and the seriousness of it did they apologise? Of course not.

She most certainly did imply it.
She has set a very dangerous precedent along with James Cleverly. supporting the attack (even if it had 'only' been an egg) on Jeremy Corbyn.
Did you see the DM's Rosie got? I would guess not.

DId you witness the invitations asking her to meet in London? If she was my daughter I would have reported those requests.

She also implied that JC was a Nazi.

No she didn't she re-quoted Owen Jones tweeting about Farage getting egged, in the same way as well, (although its nothing like Prescott

This is where nuance is lost, you either decry all political acts such as the egg incident or you don't, Owen Jones deep ingrained tribalism prevents him being able to see nuance, understand jokes, or understand hypocrisy.

Funny that a mural that contained a depiction of an anti Semite is called antisemitic?

Bloody hell if you can’t recognise the anti-semitism in that mural....! No wonder antisemitism is such a problem if people don’t recognise it when it’s that obvious.

There were no terrorists where he laid flowers

There’s photos of him with a big wreath next to their graves. And in the next photo, the wreath is on the grave. Maybe someone else swooped in in the meantime and wrestled it from his hands?

He said Zionists

He said British Zionists clearly had “two problems: one is they don’t want to study history and, secondly, having lived in this country for a very long time, probably all their lives, they don’t understand English irony either.””. I wonder why Jewish people were concerned about that one.