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British IS girl "wants to return to Britain"

999 replies

themoomoo · 14/02/2019 07:26

Said she has no regrets;
Says she's seen severed heads in bins but it didn't faze her.
Says living with IS lived up to her expectations.
Now she wants to come home to Britain as she's 9 months pregnant.

Sounds an ideal member of any sane society

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Moussemoose · 15/02/2019 19:08

Then euthanize her like the animal she so clearly want a to be

And so SilviaSalmon this is where the hysterical decent in to anarchy starts.

Who is being hysterical me suggesting that comments like the above are the thin end of the wedge or posters using rhetoric like this?

Many posters seriously believe we can waive her human rights, who is next on their list?

itsbritneybiatches · 15/02/2019 19:08

It's hard she has been through so much and seen so much horror.

If she does come back and be treated and undoctrinated, how will she cope. I don't think I could.

But if she does come back, have her baby and then leave again or remain loyal to isis what then? She would need to be monitored closely for life. If she ever did do anything and lives were lost, then what as it could of been avoided.

Contraceptionismyfriend · 15/02/2019 19:10

If she were to come back they would almost certainly revoke her passport. I doubt she'd ever be leaving the country again.

teaandgingercake · 15/02/2019 19:11

If Brexit has shown us anything it's how close we are to grabbing a pitchfork and taking to the streets. How facts mean nothing to many people
Call me cynical but i don’t think any of it is accidental either. We are being divided and manipulated.

rwalker · 15/02/2019 19:11

Its should be nothing to do with race, religion or sex
Basically she supports ISIS leave her where she is
No remorse still has same beliefs VERY DANGEROUS.

Ylvamoon · 15/02/2019 19:13

Moussemoose please quote the full sentence and context!

They are unfit to join our society due to the training they have received and their anti western beliefs.
She said, she has no regrets

Asta19 · 15/02/2019 19:13

I think we're potentially heading for a melt down in this country anyway. Yes there's Brexit, which we all know was largely about immigration. Just today you have the Muslim parents protesting at the school over the LGBT stuff. We've tried to become this utopia where everyone from every culture and belief system lives happily side by side and it hasn't worked. Because it can't. We have been the "benevolent benefactors" who take in refugees from war torn countries, but expected them to just integrate without any real understanding of what they have been through or where they've come from. Oh but we gave them benefits and a house so why are they not eternally grateful? Maybe because true integration isn't about that.

This whole country is a big mess waiting to implode. We are a tiny little island trying to fit the whole world in and wondering why it's not working. I'm not anti immigration at all. But it takes work. People from war torn countries need counselling. Women stuck at home unable to speak English need English lessons. People who are here through any kind of exploitation, be that the Asian nail bar women or sex workers, or even Eastern Europeans stuck 5 to a room working for less than minimum wage, need support.

Imagine being dropped into a country where you don't speak the language or understand the culture. They give you a roof over your head and food but that's it. Would you integrate or would you seek out others in the same situation as you?

The main reason I wouldn't want this woman to come back is because I don't trust this country to manage the risk that she poses.

Aridane · 15/02/2019 19:16

Lol - I love short's sardonic piss take Grin

Moussemoose · 15/02/2019 19:19

They are unfit to join our society due to the training they have received and their anti western beliefs She said, she has no regrets

If she has the right to return as a British citizen she should be afforded that right. Otherwise we are breaking our own laws.

She had the first 15 years of her training in the U.K. we must have some responsibility for that? Or is everything someone else's fault?

itsbritneybiatches · 15/02/2019 19:26

I think she's too much of a danger to others.
Potential to recruit others.
Potential to help others or advise on how to join isis.
Potential to become a Martyr

What happens to her baby?

If she is allowed back it should be incarcerated indefinitely.

If she has no regrets we at least know she is still loyal to isis.

Can they lie detector her and possibly gain an insight?

cherriesandoranges · 15/02/2019 19:27

@Moussemoose She had the first 15 years of her training in the U.K. we must have some responsibility for that? Or is everything someone else's fault?

No I don't think society takes responsibility for that. Just like we shouldn't blame society for paedophiles and rapists either. People have to take responsibility for their own actions!! She choose to leave, she shows no remorse, she made that decision.

ReflectentMonatomism · 15/02/2019 19:30

She had the first 15 years of her training in the U.K

Or more precisely, in a mono ethnic community where she will have had little contact with other cultures, where her parents did not speak English to a high standard and where the culture, attitudes and mores she was raised in were not remotely like those of the wider UK.

But it was in zone 2, yes.

Patroclus · 15/02/2019 19:38

All im sayinng teaandgingercake is did anybody try giving her a creme egg or diagnosing her with the latest mental health condition? If Britain hadn been there in 1918 then she wouldnt have been now. In a way it is all our fault.

gindrinkingmarypoppins · 15/02/2019 19:43

Oh man I'm so torn over how I feel about this girl, and it's making me uncomfortable.
My knee jerk reaction is that she knew what she was doing and there's no way in hell we should be welcoming terrorist sympathisers back into the country.

On the other hand, she has suffered terrible loss, and I can't help but wonder if her 'seeing heads in bins doesn't faze me' is just because she's become so numb to the horror and trauma, her own included of losing two children. What's to become of her third child in that god forsaken place.
I don't know. Genuninely. It just seems too simplistic to say leave her and that unborn child to rot there.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 15/02/2019 19:47

She said the ‘first time’ she saw heads she was unfazed. From what I’ve heard of the place it wouldn’t have been too long before she saw this gruesome sight.

Justanotherlurker · 15/02/2019 19:59

If she has the right to return as a British citizen she should be afforded that right. Otherwise we are breaking our own laws

Are you saying that we should go and fetch her?

The right hasn't been recinded

woodhill · 15/02/2019 20:02

You are right Asta

SilviaSalmon · 15/02/2019 20:08

No @Moussemoose, the decent into anarchy does not start with a minority of knee jerk comments on an Internet forum. 😂😂😂

You are being hysterical.

Snowmaggedon · 15/02/2019 20:22

Good post Asta.

It doesn't end well.

Awwlookatmybabyspider · 15/02/2019 20:30

I don't want her back here. Especially as she's shown no remorse or regret.
Don't get me wrong it wouldn't be a million times better if she did regret it and showed remorse.
Yes when she was 15 I might have to an extent gone with the Maybe she was coerced or groomed. However she's a fully grown adult now and if shes not even apologetic. Then as I've alluded to I don't want her back here. I wouldn't trust her.

OhDearGodLookAtThisMess · 15/02/2019 20:37

Or is everything someone else's fault?
Hmm Can you not see the irony there? It's "our" fault she was radicalised, so she is absolved from responsibility? But you accuse the UK of shifting blame?

voddiekeepsmesane · 15/02/2019 20:53

So we are supposed to feel sorry for her ...she was groomed ...she was a child...fair enough. BUT I worry that she may be a threat or at the very least incite others to be a threat. IMO better to have rid of her than to risk maybe dozens of innocent lives like what happened in Manchester. As others have said I do not trust this country to be able to manage her and the risk she poses.

Though if she arrives at our boarders given the fact she is solely a UK citizen under international law we can not turn her away. But I see her then going through the system and being shown far too much leniency. Her family will give assurances that they will keep her on track (they couldn't at 15 so doubt they will at 19/20) Not to mention she will be able to keep and indoctrinate her child with IS ideology no doubt given how ineffectual SS is.

Sure let her in , we really have no alternative , but imprison her and have her child in care or adopted IMO

Moussemoose · 15/02/2019 20:55

The decent into anarchy doesn't start with comments - really?

Where does it start then? In the pub? At a meeting? A beer hall?

This is exactly the place where the decent starts, comments, jokes, rhetoric that builds up.

Consider Weimar Germany (and this is where the German references are relevant) it didn't start with a fire in the Reichstag. It started in peoples homes, at meetings and in newspapers.

Constant vigilance is not a joke it's a reality.

Moussemoose · 15/02/2019 20:58

Are you saying that we should go and fetch her?

I have said on this thread several times I do not think lives should be risked to save her but if she finds herself in British jurisdiction she should be afforded the rights she is entitled to as a British citizen p.

Ribbonsonabox · 15/02/2019 20:59

@Moussemoose I totally agree. We cannot start basing human rights and citizenship on public popularity. Shes a British national. She should recieve the same treatment that any other British national would recieve in the same situation.