British IS girl "wants to return to Britain"

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Said she has no regrets;
Says she's seen severed heads in bins but it didn't faze her.
Says living with IS lived up to her expectations.
Now she wants to come home to Britain as she's 9 months pregnant.

Sounds an ideal member of any sane society

I'm not going to defend her actions or her words they are abhorrent.

However, when you dehumanise her and deny her rights you are becoming the people you claim to despise.

IS oppose human rights in the U.K. we are founder members of the ECHR, Magna Carte was signed in England - the foundation of the rule of law. Are you prepared to abandon those beliefs for one woman with misguided beliefs?

‘Grant’ wasn’t the correct word. I’m not lady bountiful.

But yes, I’d hold my nose and swallow the fact that she has human rights (unlike those who suffered under the regime she was so willing to support).

No one is denying her rights. She's been told that if she gets to an embassy she'll be brought back. That's been made very clear. However, I think people have a right to express the view that they hope she doesn't come back. Freedom of speech I believe it's called.

Human rights are not universal. They are dependent on where you are at the time.
The human rights afforded to someone in an Islamic state and those in the UK are a world apart. Especially for a woman.

If only she'd known what these people were like before she signed up If only they'd been honest and upfront. Published it on TV for example.

Realistically though how safe would she be in the UK. Few stories after the daily mail start following her around... won't be long before someone works out where she is.

I was pondering how I’d feel if one of my sisters were in this position.

I’d wash my hands if her. It wouldn’t matter - blood is not thicker than water.

I think if she had shown some remorse then I would feel more sympathy - but she doesn't even acknowledge the gravity of her actions.

And then we become them. We dismantle human rights, we get rid of freedom of speech, we abandon the rule of law and then what is the difference between us and IS.

Human rights have always been suspended when an individual is found to pose a risk to society. Arguably imprisonment is a violation of human rights, yet that is imposed by the law. So I see no reason for any such hysterical decent into anarchy.

Any human should defend human rights

But it’s not that simple is it? Upholding one individual’s human rights may compromise the human rights of another or indeed a whole sector of society. Whose human rights triumph?

For me, it would be the corpus of innocent men, women and children who’s fundamental right to life is put at risk by this woman's dangerous ideology and loathing of the West and all it stands for.

Human rights or not... I would not let her back in. She betrayed her country by fighting for IS.
She said, she has no regrets (... that is the tipping point for me!).
Imagine, she has her child here, than the father wants to join, because it is his human right.... They are unfit to join our society due to the training they have received and their anti western beliefs. Their beliefs do not match ours. It's like letting a few convicted murderers loose.

They are unfit to join our society

I fully understand and accept the nuanced points that are being made about when does my right to freedom impinge your right to blow me up.

However, we need to be careful because of comments like the one above. On this thread Muslims have been referred to as 'animalistic' and she has been described as 'inhuman'.

If Brexit has shown us anything it's how close we are to grabbing a pitchfork and taking to the streets. How facts mean nothing to many people. We need to keep the discussion as neutral as possible because so many people are so quick to start frothing at the mouth.

Sad but true in the U.K. in 2019.

Here's a short response

You forfeit your human rights when you become a terrorist.

You forfeit your human rights when you become a terrorist

That sets a dangerous precedent and definitely not supported by the Human Rights Act 1998 nor international law

You forfeit your human rights when you become a terrorist.

Tricky when it turns out you’ve got the wrong people. The Birmingham Six, for example.

She admits it. She even isn’t sorry.

Maybe she had been having a bad day, so joined ISIS. Mustnt Judge.

She admits it.

She admits what?. Are you saying people who are members of a proscribed organisation lose their human rights merely by membership? What else has she admitted to?

I'd say willingly joining IS should come with consequences.

No way would I let her back. What message does this send? She hated our country so much but now she wants the use of our NHS!! She's a danger to our society and walked away from our benefits when she left to live with terrorists!

'Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty

Attributed to Thomas Jefferson.

So she has now forfeited her human rights.

There should be consequences for joining IS no one is saying there shouldn't be under the rule of law.

A mob is easily formed but hard to dismantle.

@ReflectentMonatomism yes I also think anyone who joins a terrorist organisation should lose their human rights!!

I think she'll come back purely to use the NHS services to have her child. Receive benefits for her child, then take said child back to Syria with her.

I say let her back, take her child off of her as she clearly isn't fit to parent.

Then euthanize her like the animal she so clearly want a to be.

If she came back is it likely she would become a martyr at any point?

@itsbritneybiatches yeah we have to protect our own citizens. She just wants our nhs.

Maybe she had been having a bad day, so joined ISIS. Mustnt Judge.

I really hope thats a joke. Mustn’t judge? Of course we must judge, she doesn’t deny she’s part of a terrorist group. Why wouldn’t we judge ?

I doubt she's be safe in the uk and we couldn't guarantee we'd be safe with her here so best not to let her in!