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British IS girl "wants to return to Britain"

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themoomoo · 14/02/2019 07:26

Said she has no regrets;
Says she's seen severed heads in bins but it didn't faze her.
Says living with IS lived up to her expectations.
Now she wants to come home to Britain as she's 9 months pregnant.

Sounds an ideal member of any sane society

OP posts:

MephistophelesApprentice · 15/02/2019 16:42

If we start imprisoning, persecuting and punishing people whose beliefs we don't agree with who do we become?

Whoever we are already. People are already prosecuted, persecuted and punished for hate speech, which is ultimately just a conflicting ideological position to the accepted norm.

53rdWay · 15/02/2019 16:42

she’s just realised that ISIS doesn’t provide great maternity care or child benefit

Ironic thing is that ISIS actually did, in a lot of ways. It had hospitals with maternity care, it had state benefits for mothers (especially widowed ones for obvious reasons) including things like maternity leave. This would have been a big part of the propaganda that girls like Shamima Begum got: look, we do respect women, we educate girls, we value motherhood, and we have a functioning state with infrastructure and healthcare and schools and universities!

Of course the picture wasn’t so pretty if you were a kidnapped Yazidi girl... or the wrong kind of Muslim woman... or you wanted to do anything ISIS specifically forbid... or you changed your mind and tried to get out and got beaten to death in the street. But girls and women like her were definitely told as part of the propaganda, come over here and join us and we’ll care for you, it’ll be great!

I bet it was far from great in practice even for girls like her even when ISIS had a much bigger territory. But notice how she blames that on ‘corruption’ - ie she thinks what ISIS were trying to do is fine, it’s just the implementation didn’t work out because a few people messed it up for everybody. She seems to still believe in the ideals underneath it, beheadings and sex slavery and all.

Moussemoose · 15/02/2019 16:47

If she can be punished under the law for hate speech what is the issue?

We have a law that allows her to be punished. Then when (if) she breaks the law she should be prosecuted.

Asta19 was saying that prison wasn't appropriate either, so what do we do then? Resort to more 'creative' forms of punishment?

Sillizoh · 15/02/2019 16:52

If we start imprisoning, persecuting and punishing people whose beliefs we don't agree with who do we become?

We become safer.

arsefeatures · 15/02/2019 16:56

you can't compare to Salman Rushdie... Do you seriously believe the "era" matters to islam and the appallingly violent hateful commands? If another Rushdie came along today with another "blasphemous" book. Do you honestly expect us to believe that there'd be any less hysteria from so many muslims, goaded on by superstitious, semi-literate imams and clerics ? If so, you live in a fantasy world... Look at how those Charlie Hebdo murderers reacted to a couple of harmless, crudely drawn, cartoon images.. Where was the outrage then? Most muslims who were shocked and disgraced by that, as well as London Brge, Manchester etc etc etc were / are far too scared of their own, to speak out...

And finally don't believe the bollocks you read in the left wing, liberal media either...

arsefeatures · 15/02/2019 17:00

It isn't about beliefs we don't agree withThis vile creatures beliefs are for her consciences . Who knows, she may develop one some day? It is about direct material support she's given for the most disgusting barbarous terrorists imaginable. Her presence alongside them is enough. I hope she rots in jail in some hellhole for the rest of her natural....

Asta19 · 15/02/2019 17:13

There's a drama on Netflix called Black Crows, although it's subtitled which I know put's a lot of people off, it's well worth a watch. It was made by a middle eastern TV company and aired all over Ramadan. It's very brutal but focuses a lot on women in ISIS, what their various roles are etc. Apparently it was made based on interviews from many people who had left. What they do to the Yazidi's is truly heartbreaking. But also what they do to other Muslim's. The one's who don't want to follow their rules. The women may not do the beheading and the shooting but you just cannot live in that situation for four years and not be involved in brutality of some sort. You just can't.

Moussemoose · 15/02/2019 17:15

We become safer

And then we become them. We dismantle human rights, we get rid of freedom of speech, we abandon the rule of law and then what is the difference between us and IS.

So what kind of dictatorship do you fancy? Communism ? A facist nutter? Or a nice friendly theocracy?

SalliSunbeem · 15/02/2019 17:36

We cannot allow extremist beliefs. There is a difference.

DGRossetti · 15/02/2019 17:42

We cannot allow extremist beliefs.

Who gets to decide what's extreme then ?

Contraceptionismyfriend · 15/02/2019 17:46

I'd say rape, beheading and setting people on fire is pretty easy to class as extreme

Justanotherlurker · 15/02/2019 17:46

I thought others have been arrested for joining a proscribed terrorist organisation?

M3lon · 15/02/2019 17:46

but hanging people is fine?

Some extremist views on this threat and they aren't from members of ISIS.

DGRossetti · 15/02/2019 17:48

I'd say rape, beheading and setting people on fire is pretty easy to class as extreme

Actions, yes. I asked about beliefs. What aren't we allowed to believe as "extremist" as the PP suggested ?

SalliSunbeem · 15/02/2019 17:52

Anyone with humanity.

Contraceptionismyfriend · 15/02/2019 17:54

The head of MI6 has said she is a threat but we can't not let her in.
So we have to mitigate the threat.

Firstly they have to let her in. They don't have to help her in so I think that should at least delay her.

M3lon · 15/02/2019 17:56

salli Are you saying there are human beings that don't possess 'humanity'? That's a pretty extreme view right there.

Pretending that people who don't think like us are somehow sub-human is a road that ends in concentration camps. I wouldn't set off down it if I were you.

DGRossetti · 15/02/2019 17:57

DG Anyone with humanity

not really an answer is it ? More a soundbite ....

SalliSunbeem · 15/02/2019 18:01

Perhaps, I don't have the time to write long responses.

Moussemoose · 15/02/2019 18:03

Lots of worrying attempts to dehumanise this woman on this thread.

I dislike and despise her beliefs and actions, but I would absolutely defend her human rights and her right to a fair trial.

I would defend her because I am not like her, I believe in human dignity, freedom of expression, freedom of belief and the rule of law.

Moussemoose · 15/02/2019 18:04

Ok here's a short response.

Any human should defend human rights.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 15/02/2019 18:05

I find it hard to grant her the rights that she and her ilk denied the Yazidi. They didn’t choose that life - she did. Who chose to stay and she has chosen to cling to it.

Asta19 · 15/02/2019 18:07

Lots of worrying attempts to dehumanise this woman on this thread

I'd say she dehumanised herself when she said a head in a bin didn't faze her.

MarthasGinYard · 15/02/2019 18:07

Quite

Moussemoose · 15/02/2019 18:08

You don't 'grant' her rights - they are human rights and so her humanity gives her those rights.

Unless you don't believe in human rights?

Or you don't believe she is human?

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