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British IS girl "wants to return to Britain"

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themoomoo · 14/02/2019 07:26

Said she has no regrets;
Says she's seen severed heads in bins but it didn't faze her.
Says living with IS lived up to her expectations.
Now she wants to come home to Britain as she's 9 months pregnant.

Sounds an ideal member of any sane society

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Contraceptionismyfriend · 15/02/2019 10:41

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CatFem · 15/02/2019 10:44

But you have to realise that for a lot of the British population aged over about 35, thatisIslam. Now you're welcome to say "not my problem", but you have to realise that for a lot of people it precisely is your problem, because their image of Islam was formed by those protests. It takes two parties to put something in the past.

If you have any insight into the Muslim community, you would know the Muslim community was a) very small in the 80s and b) has completely transformed since then. The small number of Muslims who went on that protest are now in their 50s and 60s. The ones I know regret it and are not proud of it. The majority of the Muslim population here in the UK is young, and very different to the 80s young Muslims. We have transformed as a community so please stop judging the Muslim community by one event that happened in the 80s, that is unfair.

Contraceptionismyfriend · 15/02/2019 10:47

But on the flip side since the 80s there's been 9/11, 7/7, the London Bridge, the attack in Paris, Ariana Grande concert and so on...

So you can't blame 'this generation' from forming an option that has not really been challenged.

Codegeen · 15/02/2019 10:47

There is an ex-murderer and convicted peadophile living near us, wish they could be banished to another country too.

PortiaCastis · 15/02/2019 10:49

I wouldn't want her next door to me because anyone who isn't fazed by severed heads has to be an arsehole, also the packs of rabid journos would never leave her or the neighbours alone if they ever found out where she was. We had an incident here 5 years ago and the press came down here in their hordes never leaving anyone alone and constantly bashing on front doors making life unbearable for residents, so no I wouldn't want that.

ReflectentMonatomism · 15/02/2019 10:49

The ones I know regret it and are not proud of it.

But don't regret it enough to say it was a mistake in public.

We have transformed as a community so please stop judging the Muslim community by one event

Rushdie was under 24x7 armed protection for, what, ten years? And when he was - rightly, being one of our greatest authors - given a knighthood, the Muslim community was back out in the streets.

This is 2007. They don't look in their 60s or 70s. They don't look like they regret the protests.

WonderK · 15/02/2019 10:51

So you can't blame 'this generation' from forming an option that has not really been challenged

Contraceptionismyfriend, I just gave you evidence of all the challenging the Muslim community has done and is doing! I'll post it here again:

muslimscondemn.com

Contraceptionismyfriend · 15/02/2019 10:52

Yes. And I'm saying it's not enough. Not nearly enough.

WonderK · 15/02/2019 10:54

the Muslim community was back out in the streets Really? How many were back out in the streets from 5 million Muslims? Please enlighten me.

WonderK · 15/02/2019 10:56

Contraceptionismyfriend, you have the same responsibility as a Muslim to combat terrorism and extremism. So I'm afraid to say this, but they are doing MORE than enough. They are not creating this problem, so why do you think they need to do more than anyone else? They are doing MORE, why do you feel they should?

ReflectentMonatomism · 15/02/2019 10:57

Most of those "condemnations" look pretty weak.

Here, for example, is someone "condemning" the Manchester bombing:

muslimscondemn.com/entries/6078

Here's another:

muslimscondemn.com/entries/6077

Whew! That's told them!

ReflectentMonatomism · 15/02/2019 10:58

How many were back out in the streets from 5 million Muslims? Please enlighten me.

I dunno. You were saying it was all a long time ago, and everyone who protested with in their 60s and 70s. Clearly, that's not entirely true, is it?

Would Salman Rushdie be safe to do a reading in a cafe next to your local mosque?

Tensixtysix · 15/02/2019 10:59

Why come back to the UK if she hates the West? Don't get why they think we should be nice to her.

SinkGirl · 15/02/2019 10:59

You seem to know what percentage of the U.K. population is Muslim but not what percentage of terrorist acts in Europe / America are committed by Muslims - have you ever looked it up? The statistics might surprise you, Contraception

Contraceptionismyfriend · 15/02/2019 11:03

If I saw extremism I would report it.

However as an atheist I attend no place of worship and my children go to a public state school so I'd say my exposure to extremism is pretty none existent.

Last I check atheists weren't in the news every other day for recruiting extremists and committing horrific acts of terrorism.

DGRossetti · 15/02/2019 11:06

You seem to know what percentage of the U.K. population is Muslim but not what percentage of terrorist acts in Europe / America are committed by Muslims - have you ever looked it up? The statistics might surprise you ...

Statistically in the UK, you are more likely to be killed by a policeman than a terrorist from 2000-2018.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 15/02/2019 11:06

She chose to live through horror. She packed her bags and ran to it.

There is no way that she could not have been aware of the executions, murder and violent ideology before she went and I’m certain she saw it first hand. I don’t believe ah only saw a bucket of heads. Their propaganda of children shooting and blowing up ‘enemies’ would have been shown. She would have seen the schoolchildren being drilled to be ‘warriors’- her children would have been groomed for this too and she was ok with that. She stayed put even when she was a mother. she didn’t try to leave and has ‘no regret.

My mum was hell of a lot younger than her during ww2. She lived in fear of bombings, saw bodies in the aftermath of some - had friends and sigh ours killed or returned in pieces after suffering POW camps. She didn’t run to this and applaud it. It didn’t make her a hardened risk to society. She didn’t have our thoughts of revenge. If anything it made her realise how precious all life was. I don’t see or hear compassion in this woman’s face or voice. I only see a desperate self preservation and the arrogance of ‘those bastards will have to look after me and I don’t have to give them a thing.’ If daesh raises its head again who will she side with?

She is playing the system.

Coldshoulders · 15/02/2019 11:07

After hearing this story on the news I was quite shocked. It's madness. Why would any normal 15 year old girl and 2 friends ever think going to Syria and joining IS is a good idea? I have never been to Syria or had the urge to join IS, just find it all really weird. Our country probably will invite her back into our lands, I'm not saying she should, I'm not saying she shouldn't. If she is a UK citizen then she will probably end up back here. But how can you join a murdering insanely strange cult that believes in murder and other terrible things then decide after having 2 children who died that you want to come home? Like if the child was the main reason she wanted to come back why was the first 2 children not thought of the same way? It's weird. Brainwashing and radicalization, that just doesn't happen over night. Plus I'm guessing her and her friends was googling this stuff up. Never once have i been online and had IS trying to brainwash me but I'm sure if I went out looking for that I would find it. It's just weird. Let's jump on a plane at 15 and go to a country that's got nothing good to offer, knowing fine well what will happen to you as a 15 year old female when you arrived. When you have a perfectly nice life in the UK with education and healthcare, roof over your head and food in your belly. To me it just doesn't make sense. Also if she's so brainwashed then why now has she seen the light? And if she does return how much money will that cost the country to deradicalise her, and protect her and monitor her aswell as the fact she will expect a house, probably benefits for herself and her baby (with her leaving at 15 I doubt she has any gcses and guessing alot of employers wouldn't employ her based on the fact she believes in all the crazy IS stuff), free healthcare all of which she could of had by staying here anyway? It's just really fucked up.

SinkGirl · 15/02/2019 11:08

Last I check atheists weren't in the news every other day for recruiting extremists and committing horrific acts of terrorism.

I think you’ve just inadvertently hit on the point there

WonderK · 15/02/2019 11:08

Would Salman Rushdie be safe to do a reading in a cafe next to your local mosque?

Yes, he totally would.

floribunda18 · 15/02/2019 11:12

It is mad, fucked up and difficult. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't try and deal with it, and say "Well, we wash our hands of you."

Also why are people frothing so much about what this young woman has done?

You do realise that loads of young male British citizens who went to fight for IS have been allowed back in the country?

But this fifteen year old child when she went, everyone throws their fucking toys out of the pram over it.

ReflectentMonatomism · 15/02/2019 11:16

But this fifteen year old child when she went, everyone throws their fucking toys out of the pram over it.

People don't react well to parents that claim to have no knowledge of extremism but are then shown to have been taking their children to violent flag-burning protests. Lying extremists aren't sympathetic characters. The other girl's father now claims to regret his past extremism, which is convenient. Perhaps he shouldn't have lied about it when first asked.

MadCatEnthusiast · 15/02/2019 11:22

She’s only seen the light because her husband surrenderd to the SDF. She witnessed oppression and people killing Muslims which she didn’t agree with. If her husband didn’t surrender, would she be in this situation? Probably not.

There’s a Dutch film called Layla M on Netflix about a similarly aged girl who married a jihadi and ran away with to Syria. I think it would be interesting for people to watch and see how radicalisation happen when both parents are against radicalisation.

MadCatEnthusiast · 15/02/2019 11:33

You do realise that loads of young male British citizens who went to fight for IS have been allowed back in the country?

Very true. To prevent her and not them is very unfair but she’s a women so will be flamed by default.